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Kissinger entered at an unknown time after 10:02 am.\n\n             Letters\n\nKissinger left at 10:06 am.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 3m 1s      ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n             Entertainment in White House\n                 -Bohemian Grove\n                      -Letter from Lowell Thomas\n                 -Show\n                      -Herbert C. Hoover's birthday\n                          -Waldorf-Astoria Hotel\n\n                     -Press\n                     -East Room\n                         -Dinner\n                     -Timing\n                         -The President’s birthday\n                         -1973 inauguration\n                     -Eastern members\n                     -The President’s attendance\n                         -Secret Service\n                         -Woods’s conversation with Walter Taylor\n                         -1972 election\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 35s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nWoods left at 10:15 am.","filename":["784-006.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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