{"conversationCode":"786-014","tapeNumber":786,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-786-014","startDateTime":"1972-09-25T15:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-25T16:03:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Sep-1972","startTime":"11:58 AM","endDate":"25-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.; Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On September 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:58 am to 12:03 pm. 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(“Ollie”) Atkins\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:03 pm.\n\n             Cabinet Committee to Combat Terrorism\n                 -Staffing\n                      -[Richard G. Kleindienst]\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman at an unknown time between 11:58 am and 12:03\npm.\n\n[Conversation No. 786-14A]\n\n             Cabinet Committee to Combat Terrorism\n                 -Richard [Kleindienst]\n                 -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]\n                 -Director of Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n             Inclusion of FBI in Cabinet Committee to Combat Terrorism\n\nButterfield left at 12:03 pm.","filename":["786-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P.","Bull, Stephen B.","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"786-013","nextCode":"786-015","transcript":[{"start":7.56,"end":7.78,"text":"Needles."},{"start":8.34,"end":9.3,"text":"Needles."},{"start":9.32,"end":10.98,"text":"Well, I've got to go around and shake their hands."},{"start":11.56,"end":14.21,"text":"So I'll do that."},{"start":14.32,"end":16.81,"text":"But Polly doesn't have to take in the pictures."},{"start":16.83,"end":17.61,"text":"So don't do that."},{"start":17.63,"end":18.89,"text":"I'm not going to do that anymore."},{"start":19.51,"end":21.53,"text":"We just have enough time."},{"start":21.57,"end":23.67,"text":"I will shake their hands."},{"start":23.91,"end":27.09,"text":"I don't even know if you should try it."},{"start":27.17,"end":28.01,"text":"I grew a picture."},{"start":28.03,"end":29.53,"text":"I think there's too many people there."},{"start":29.83,"end":30.51,"text":"Too many people."},{"start":30.65,"end":34.37,"text":"I'll just say that and I'll shake their hands and thank them all."},{"start":34.39,"end":34.67,"text":"Okay."},{"start":35.7,"end":36.76,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":72.69,"end":78.52,"text":"I was wondering if there was some reason"},{"start":95.19,"end":98.89,"text":"for not putting the FBI on this, too."},{"start":98.91,"end":116.97,"text":"I know that's under, but I think it would be very helpful to have him on."},{"start":117,"end":117.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":117.23,"end":119.6,"text":"I think he ought to just be put on it."},{"start":119.66,"end":123.58,"text":"Yeah, I mean, the FBI has a lot better sound, you know, direction, intelligence."},{"start":125.09,"end":128.13,"text":"The, uh, all right."},{"start":128.35,"end":128.71,"text":"Good."},{"start":128.97,"end":129.17,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Alexander P. Butterfield and Stephen B. Bull regarding a brief appearance to greet staff from the Finance Committee for the Re-election of the President. He also conferred with John D. Ehrlichman to discuss the structure of the Cabinet Committee to Combat Terrorism. The President ultimately decided that the FBI should be included in the committee, citing the bureau's superior intelligence capabilities.","topics":["Committee for the Re-election of the President","Cabinet Committee to Combat Terrorism","FBI","Presidential scheduling","Intelligence gathering"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:39:16.546Z"},"topicSlugs":["committee-for-the-re-election-of-the-president","cabinet-committee-to-combat-terrorism","fbi","presidential-scheduling","intelligence-gathering"],"audioDurationSec":143,"audioFiles":[{"file":"786-014.mp3","bytes":3440012,"durationSec":143.27,"bitrate":192090,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:33.147Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/786-014.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/786-014","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/786/conversation-786-014","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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