{"conversationCode":"786-016","tapeNumber":786,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-786-016","startDateTime":"1972-09-25T16:18:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-25T16:22:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Sep-1972","startTime":"12:18 PM","endDate":"25-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:22 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On September 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:18 pm and 12:22 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 786-016 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 786-16\n\nDate: September 25, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:18 pm and 12:22 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n             The President's schedule\n                 -Photograph session with Republican gubernatorial,\n                  Senatorial and Congressional candidates\n                     -Harry S. Dent\n                 -Meeting with Dr. Charles A. (“Carl”) Hoffman\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:22 pm.","filename":["786-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"786-015","nextCode":"786-017","transcript":[{"start":0.52,"end":5.54,"text":"I don't think he survived the cancer."},{"start":6.18,"end":12.67,"text":"If he is, I'd get him out of the way."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to briefly review the President’s upcoming schedule, including a photograph session with Republican congressional candidates and a meeting with Dr. Charles A. Hoffman. During the discussion, they addressed a personnel matter regarding an individual's health status, with Nixon suggesting the individual be removed from their current position if they were not expected to recover from cancer. The exchange served as a quick logistical coordination of presidential appointments and staffing concerns.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Personnel management","Republican Party","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:39:27.872Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","personnel-management","republican-party","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":23,"audioFiles":[{"file":"786-016.mp3","bytes":559228,"durationSec":23.23,"bitrate":192615,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:57.945Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/786-016.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/786-016","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/786/conversation-786-016","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}