Conversation No. 786-21

Date: September 25, 1972
Time: 12:49 pm - 1:09 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Dr. Charles A. (“Carl”) Hoffman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., and James H.
Cavanaugh; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

             Greetings

             [Photograph session]

             Edward M. Kennedy health insurance plan
                -Political aspects
                    -Democratic platform
                    -1972 election
                    -Philosophy
                    -Cost
                    -Numbers of doctors, hospitals, nurses
                          -Medicare
                    -Hoffman's forthcoming talk to dentists, doctors
                          -Hoffman’s recent talk to insurance group
                              -Kennedy’s 1971 statement to American Medical Association
                              [AMA]
                                   -Dr. Benjamin Rush Award

             Medical profession
                -The President’s personal contacts
                     -Dr. John C. Lungren
                     -New York
                          -Dr. Victor DeLuccia
                -Public relations
                     -Business community
                -International cooperation
                     -Soviet Union
                     -The People’s Republic of China [PRC]
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        -Developments in medicine
            -Youth, women
            -Cancer, heart disease, arthritis
        -The President’s previous meeting with Soviet Union Minister of Health
         [Boris V. Petrovsky]
            -Petrovsky’s health
            -Open heart surgery
            -US-Soviet Union
                 -Resident’s interchange
                 -Specialty groups
                      -Hoffman’s letter to the President
                        -New York
                 -Hospitals
                      -Rural areas
                 -Soviets
                 -The PRC
                      -Genetics
                         -Asians
                           -Japanese, Chinese
                             -Caucasians
                      -Acupuncture
                      -The President’s conversation with Chou En-
                       Lai and other leaders
                         -Cancer
                 -Political barriers
                      -Medical cooperation

Hoffman’s forthcoming trip to American Indian reservations, January 1973
    -Audrey Cameron
    -Hoffman’s age
    -Hoffman’s interests

Medical profession
   -International cooperation
        -The President’s conversation with PRC nurses
             -Arms control
             -Disease
   -Hoffman’s previous trip to the Soviet Union
        -Georgia’s Minister of Health
             -The PRC
                 -Health care
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                     -Fact finding
    -Japanese
    -Western Europe
    -US
    -Cooperation with smaller countries
        -Africans
        -Latin America
            -Number of doctors
    -Hoffman’s visit to Nairobi, Kenya, 1971
        -Medicine
    -Latin America
        -Hoffman’s possible trip to encourage doctors

Hoffman's plans
    -The PRC situation
    -Schedule
        -Hawaii, December, 1972
        -Possible trip to PRC
        -Chicago [?]
    -AMA
    -Doctors in rural areas
        -Richmond, Milwaukee, Denver
        -Cavanaugh
    -Resident interchange

U.S. medical system
    -Lawyers
        -The President’s background
    -Doctors
    -Change
        -Kennedy health insurance plan
    -Quality
        -Comparison to Great Britain
    -Changes
        -Catastrophic insurance coverage
             -Burns, strokes
        -Distribution of physicians
        -Catastrophic insurance coverage
             -Hoffman’s background in Urology
             -Avoiding abuses
                 -Listing conditions
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                          Tape Subject Log
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                       -Hemophilia, strokes, heart surgery
                       -Time
                   -Hoffman’s previous dinner with unknown
                    Department of Health, Education an
                    Welfare [HEW] official
                       -Burn cases

The President’s family
    -[Harold Nixon]
        -Health
             -Tuberculosis
             -Frank Nixon, Hannah Milhous Nixon

Hoffman’s first wife
    -Tuberculosis

The President’s family
    -Harold Nixon
        -Pneumothorax

Improvements in medicine
    -Pneumonia
    -Carbuncle
        -Compared to boil
        -Antibiotics

The President’s family
    -Frank Nixon
        -Health
             -Age at death
             -Arthritis
             -Gout

The President’s previous meeting with Petrovsky
    -Arthritis

The President's previous visits to senior citizens home
    -Cortisone

Medical research
   -Arthritis
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-03)

                 -Cancer
                     -Urology
                     -Progress
                 -Arthritis
                     -Types
                           -Atrophic
                           -Hypertrophic
                     -Therapy

Hoffman, Cavanaugh, and Cole left at 1:09 pm.