Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 787-010
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 1972 at 11:49 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Bull, Stephen B.
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/787-010

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[0:00] I reject your call to talk.
[0:03] I just called out.
[0:03] Okay.
[0:03] I used to overdo it that day.
[0:05] I mean, I don't know what the hell else to say to them.
[0:10] They didn't call me.
[0:13] All right.
[0:13] Well, did you just go down and see him?
[0:17] The president wanted me to convey his personal message to you.
[0:19] Thank you very much.
[0:22] You know what?
[0:22] Put yourself in the position of the speaker.
[0:25] Or, I mean, or anybody else.
[0:26] Suppose you do call.
[0:27] I called him three weeks ago on a bulletin, right?
[0:31] Now, this wasn't that big a deal anyway.
[0:34] But we need to go over it.
[0:36] Looks like maybe we were right to bring the leak back.
[0:40] We may very well get the time of it today.
[0:46] We've got 43, 4, and 42 against, and 3 doubtfuls.
[0:50] And the doubtfuls, Matthias will go against, probably.
[0:53] McIntyre will go for it, probably.
[0:56] And Anderson, God only knows.
[0:58] So it could very well end up as a tie.
[1:01] It would be good if it did.
[1:04] It would be good if it did.
[1:10] Yeah, it would be a nice chance for him to have a clear issue after this play on a clear issue.
[1:16] Good side.
[1:18] All right.
[1:31] I gave him a lot of substance on Monday, but I gave him shit.
[1:33] You know, it's typical of that group, which I trusted, to put it across.
[1:42] And it's not like they made the group perfectly proper in picking it up.
[1:47] They gave that kite, Shite Schweitzer, a big bunch of applause, because we're closing in.
[1:51] And we're going to throw him out in his ass, because he's against us.
[1:55] And so they made something out of that.
[1:59] But that's a hell of a reflection on them.
[2:02] And I don't know whether we can turn around on McNamara or not, but I'm very much inclined to do so if we can.
[2:11] Henry's judgment is sort of visibly bad on some things.
[2:14] Connolly got took on that, too.
[2:15] Connolly got took on it, too.
[2:16] But I think Henry took it.
[2:17] I think you're right.
[2:19] I think Henry took it.
[2:24] But I do have to remember that Henry himself is an establishment
[2:28] Deep down, he's scratching deep in Germany.
[2:30] He will go with the establishment jury for the press on the TV.
[2:33] That's why he wants to go on with that Jew on CBS and call.
[2:37] Yeah.
[2:38] It was a damn snidey divider.
[2:40] You know, go on and call.
[2:43] Henry's absolutely wrong.
[2:43] He wants to go on with that.
[2:45] This time we're not going to have to do that.
[2:50] What's his name over at the State Department?
[2:52] He says, you know, we completely agree with the BIO guy.
[2:55] Yeah.
[2:56] Yeah.
[2:57] We agree with John Calvin.
[2:59] He says, we've applied every sanction we can think of and made up some new ones.
[3:02] And he says, there's no way we can screw up any worse than they are.
[3:05] And they're, you know, it's called scum robbing, you know.
[3:10] That's right.
[3:12] But the call, the call, let's face it, he gets his stuff from Henry.
[3:17] Henry talks to my father.
[3:20] He does.
[3:21] He definitely does.
[3:24] It's a funny thing.
[3:25] We've got to hammer and hammer to get him to talk to Howard Smith.
[3:31] Howard Smith goes on.
[3:32] He was on last night and just knocked the good Jesus out of the government.
[3:39] What is your feeling about these things?
[3:42] Shouldn't they just send it to the high-level PAC?
[3:44] Absolutely.
[3:45] And don't take on anybody.
[3:47] Don't even talk about the choice and all that bullshit.
[3:49] The higher the level, the better.
[3:51] And I ask for the chance to confess the worth of that piece and all that sort of stuff.
[3:55] What do you think?
[3:58] What do you think?
[3:59] Absolutely.
[4:00] I have a very strong feeling.
[4:02] The less speech you have, the better it is.
[4:06] The labor people are on it.
[4:23] Yeah, that's right