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Conversation 791-013

TapeTape 791StartTuesday, October 3, 1972 at 4:24 PMEndTuesday, October 3, 1972 at 4:25 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Griffin, Robert P.;  Timmons, William E.Recording deviceOval Office
AI Summary

President Nixon met with Senator Robert Griffin and William Timmons to discuss public perception of the welfare system and the fiscal implications of various welfare program titles. The participants critiqued the administrative handling of welfare funds, specifically citing frustrations with social workers and the perceived prevalence of benefit misuse. The brief exchange underscored the political pressure to address the high costs associated with these legislative titles.

Welfare reformPublic policyGovernment spendingSocial servicesPolitical strategy
AudioNARA Description

On October 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert P. Griffin, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:24 pm to 4:25 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 791-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 791-13

Date: October 3, 1972
Time: 4:24 pm - 4:25 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Robert P. Griffin and William E. Timmons.

        Welfare
           -Children
           -Social workers
           -Busing
           -Titles I, II, III
                -Costs

Griffin and Timmons left at 4:25 pm.

                                          (rev. Nov-03)
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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What do you find, Bob?
Absolutely.
Up the wall, Bob.
You know what they think?
They think all of these lazy, fast, free-loading, free-loaders, illegitimate children.
Basically, that's what it is.
A lot of it's not fair.
You know, some welfare is necessary.
But a lot of it is fair to think there are free-loaders.
I get it.
Well, I mean, oh, you know, social workers give the money away.
That wasn't fair.
First three titles.
Oh, I haven't got so many titles.
Well, across the board.
Yeah.
$22 billion or something.
That's a lot.
When?
Come to Michigan.
Come to Michigan.
I get to, uh...
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