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Hi.

How are you?

Fine.

Good to see you.

Hey, just a reading.

It reads as well as it sounds.

Okay.

So now, you're going to come to the Q&A.

No, I'm going to get you over here.

I was about to get a hard one, so I gave you.

Another example of a way to say it is that you've got to talk to them.

Yeah, a lot.

That's the way to do it.

You've got to talk to them.

Yeah, it's like when they have this on a downhill course, it's like where they water their trees, they force you to do this, and I just keep them there second.

They breathe.

And then after that, they start saying, well, I was crazy.

What can you do?

Focus on the pleasure.

Oh good.

They're making some sense.

On something.

They came through.

They agreed to accept all the demonstrations.

All right, so he just talked to me and take all of them?

Yeah.

Really?

I don't know, take the hospital and see what happens.

That's what's happened to us now.

The OEO did that.

And welfare.

When do they put up the welfare?

Well, there's a lot of rumors around.

That'll probably come out this afternoon.

Christ's sake, it won't win.

What is the situation now?

What is the 14th?

And I'm just

The House adopted some procedural thing yesterday to speed up the votes and get out here by the 14th.

It's a six-day suspension.

It's a five-month suspension.

Oh, it's a five-month suspension.

Yeah.

I'm doing very good in terms of

When they talk about, you know, they talk about the president just isn't out to say where he stands on the issues in my interest.

Which one?

Which people's interests?

Enemies, not against you.

Busting, not against you.

Cutting defenses, very great, not against you.

You go right down the list.

Spending will increase taxes on the answer.

Government reorganization for new health plans, for continuation of arms patrols and so forth.

Anything that adds any, even one person to the welfare rolls, or by one cent increase the welfare costs on the answer.

Property taxes, we're going to have a further deal with it.

Now what the hell...

controls and programs as long as it's necessary to continue to reduce the cost of living.

So we're continuing the reduction of prices.

We're continuing the programs that lead to economic growth and reduction of unemployment.

We're lowering prices, more jobs, holding the line on taxes.

But the point is, you see, there really isn't a damn thing.

We talk about this in terms of not only have we said it, but these damn measures that we

I've covered miles and miles of stuff.

There isn't anything to this.

It's just nuts.

It is that they don't know where I stand.

The problem is they don't know where he stands.

Another point that I think is very in terms of emphasis.

on issues, the more I am convinced.

I'm not saying that each of these is a winner or a failure on the people.

In fact, if you take Teeter or Polster, he's for ends.

He's for busting.

He's for abortion.

And he's for legalizing marijuana.

Now, that's his personal view.

On the other hand, he's a hell of a bolster.

And so basically, he's an intellectual and all.

And all these people are for all that crap.

It's an honest holster and it comes up with a hair, I'm telling you, I'm proving a point.

It's like this, so is cattle, so is hares.

Hares is for all this stuff and more.

But that proves you that when holsters like that work for all this crap, come up with these numbers, it must mean something.

commercial that we don't have on that subject.

Or some Vietnam guy says, by God, I had a buddy who lost his life, you know, who chose to serve this country.

And these guys who chose to deserve it could live with their choice.

Let me say just a couple of things about that.

The average person who stands with you on Amnesty knows where you stand.

He knows where George McGovern stands.

You go to the youth book, which has fallen off.

Well, it'll fall apart if you start to keep them.

They've decided to join the government.

They've gone to you.

You started these kids with amnesty.

That's where you're going to start to lose some of your kids.

And it's like an abortion.

You're perfect.

Oh, abortion.

This is like abortion.

You don't have to be honest.

So there are things.

When you come to this, for example, too,

The busing issue in Michigan is the only thing that can win for you.

When you come to the welfare issue, it's the only thing that wins nationally for you.

Nobody wants any more on welfare.

Thank God H.R.

1 didn't get it.

H.R.

1 is a loser.

Just a dead loser.

Because it adds people to welfare, too.

We have to be very careful to say we don't want to add any more than H.R.

1 adds.

Huh?

That's terrible.

That's why we voted for five programs.

You can go on and out of the line, but on defense, it's interesting to note that even in California, many were not aware of our defense staff.

Even on defense, you have some refinement career.

If you take a look at your polls, or talk to anybody on the street, they ever cut the land defense budget.

This is their not natural.

That's the point.

It depends upon how you approach it.

You can't be second best and carry on.

On Vietnam, the people would have left QAnon.

But if you say, are you forgetting where the Q is, well, yes.

If you say, are you forgetting where the Q, if it means opposing the communist governments of Vietnam, it's 75-25 million.

So you've got to hit the, my point is, those things that hit the raw nerves have got to be hit.

Always tied together.

Laird, I know, makes the defense against Soviet on the basis of jobs.

I think that's all right if you're talking to people in the plant.

I don't think it's worth a damn if you're talking to people in the country.

And it's a very strong, it's simply the wrong concept.

You cannot be for national defense because it makes jobs.

You've got to be for national defense because we cannot be second to the communists, the Soviet, and be a world power.

And then the world's going to be upset.

Here, without a limit, this is sure to be a good idea.

Mr. President, if I could add one thing.

You don't want to be a secretary of power because your leadership has demonstrated that the best way to be successful in peace initiatives is to be military.

If you want to reduce arms, for example, further, or at least have something to deal with, all of our goals for arms control, all of our goals for eventual arms reduction, all of our goals for continuing

an initiative with the Soviet, with the Chinese, and maintaining the respect of our allies.

For example, people are interested in the damage, which raises the question, that any hopes for Israel to survive is for the United States to have a capability that is respected in the world.

That's what defense is all about.

And that's why our government is there.

It terrifies people.

It terrifies our allies.

Right, Greg?

I think that he, on defense, is hurt worst of all.

I think that's the thing that hurts him the worst of all.

It also, it gets a little bit of a connotation, and I don't mean by that I'm going to give you second, but it is being a little soft on the Constitution.

We don't have to say it, but that's what it is.

Well, you know, that's what hurt Mary the worst of all.

Mary?

Well, I heard Mary the other way.

Mary's scared about going to war, and he's scared about surrender.

That's right.

The other side of the coin.

I think that's Bolton Ross.

They've got a big program by the 9th of October, you know, the Democrats.

I don't know.

fourth anniversary of the day you said you had a plan to end the war, I think at least people crammed up and that's the day McGovern's on TV that night.

Do we have any more?

The night of the 10th.

I think it was the night.

McGovern's on the 10th, but the day... Are we going to be surprising?

Yes.

We should have some urgent stuff.

Yeah, Chuck's gut, which is the other thing, we really got to get...

The people over there are cranking on the attack stuff.

We've lost some of the initiative on our attack on the governor.

He's turned to the photo stuff, but he's turned to where he's on the initiative.

We're defending instead of adding all these attacks on the corruption and deceit, the deceit of it.

It's just... Well, somebody got his foreign policy speech he made in Cleveland today, which is just gas and iron.

That's...

He's the international sign of isolation.

There's going to be an attack, attack, attack, and that's probably going to be a tough time getting the attack stuff picked up, which, you know, you can give us up there on the hill and that.

Well, on the hill, what about Rodgers?

Can we get him on the hill?

Yes, sir, Rodgers.

He's willing to go.

He's very anxious to.

Good.

Get him in a debate with us.

The 9th and the 10th.

I'd like to see a plan as to what the hell.

Right, sir.

We talked about a plan this morning.

We're gonna meet in John's office and we can sketch out some of the details of the meeting.

So I don't get the impression from the last day that we've been here.

We're short, but the tax doesn't look heavy.

Yeah.

By the last two or three days, Bryce, we've been blanked out pretty well on the national.

No, we're not the most corrupt administration.

We've had butts on defending and so on.

I don't know what's happening regionally or locally.

Maybe we're on the attack of all matters, but the big stuff we're not carrying.

Because he's been basically on the attack.

And we're on his issues.

We're talking about their own.

We're not in defense and amnesty.

That's what I've done.

Defense, welfare, and spending at least a higher tax basis, as well as the collateral issues, as ever, we can't maintain this.

initiative all the time, just saying that we were going fine.

We sort of slowed down.

We haven't had a battle game.

Our attackers, there's a saturation on the attack.

The local press are simply unwilling to take a lot of the material that you push.

I had a guy up there a while ago, and we were talking law in order to crack and so on, and I was pushing the marijuana thing and all that.

And he was turned off.

I said, what's the matter?

And he said, oh, we just, you know, I'm interested in what your point of view is, but not all the stuff about Montgomery.

Well, this is what I was getting at.

What is it?

Well, I mean, I make a perfectly obvious point.

If we keep answering and attacking, there's two, that way they'll equate us.

I'm saying we are answering and we shouldn't be.

We shouldn't be attacking and we aren't.

Our people have had a very difficult and distinguished time.

I agree.

The government is coming up with all of those position papers now.

We talked about this crime thing the other day, which was really big.

Now he's got his barn.

Now he's got his barn policies under his committee.

And he's got these serious decisions.

It's just a problem.

That's good.

What'd you say?

That's good and substantive stuff.

What did you do there?

Well there, you take the issues on and I was talking to that woman when we talked to the Governor.

Oh that?

You're saying the same thing I am, but I'm saying our mistake.

The Vice-Trust, as the case in point was made, understandably and quite properly, in a way, answered

the attack on the president's, on the corruption of the administration.

We should answer the attack on the corruption of the administration.

And one of the better ways to ignore that, take on the thing of, you know, the things that, the points that we're trying to make.

Roger should have found the red sheet.

But it's present in this, in this talk, in the rest of the three or four of your significant initiatives.

It's very late for him to do it.

It's very late.

He doesn't have anybody to issue a money call for him.

Not this guy.

That's the best way to ask.

Now, his talking about the war is a good thing for us.

Our little boys don't understand it themselves.

It is the best damn thing you can ask if we can talk about the war.

There's a loser for him and a winner for us.

There surely is.

But we've got to kick his balls on that when he gets into that.

He's proposing a communist government.

A communist government.

That's what it is.

Every time Maxie strikes, he's wet.

I've never seen him like this.

Well, he's wet.

And you know, he would retreat in that bay, and the American people just, you know, he thinks that's it.

That's been pretty long forgotten.

The bay?

No, no.

That place.

I know.

Well, you've got a number of people that's come to do it.

I didn't think of it.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

The beauty of McGovern's position is that while the press is all squaring around about his techniques, you don't find the press, any of them, taking him on with his views.

They take him on for his techniques.

If you read very carefully, that's what it meant to people.

I'm very excited.

Isn't it wonderful what Scotty ,, or Tom ,, or .

What was wonderful about one of the criticized .

Do you realize that there has never been a candidate in American history in this century who did not mostly represent the views of the Eastern establishing a flight on the Georgia continent?

Everything that I have mentioned today, therefore,

They are for a $300,000 defense cut.

They are for a total withdrawal.

They've all been around for that.

They are for an increase in welfare.

They are for muscle.

That's it.

That's a very good thing.

Now, if they had a candidate who expressed his views a little better, we'd have more of a problem.

But we're going to have a hell of a problem as it is, because what they're terrified about, that's why this is our way reasonably well, what they're terrified about is that they know that their views are going to be voted up or down in this election.

And that's what we want the country to think.

We must not have this be simply a question of a jerk against somebody who's more responsible.

We want all the votes we can get for that.

But we want the people that have been out there with our views, the people that have been assaulting us, murderously criminalized for you, their views must be voted down.

That's what you need to know.

That's why the Times is worried, and the Post is worried, and CBS, and NBC, and most of ABC.

Right, John?

What the hell is this?

They're worried that their views, they've never worked with it.

It's like this.

They've got $100 on the nose of a goddamn horse, and the horse is lame.

And they're just mad as hell at the son of a bitch that got him lame.

And the horse too, for allowing him to come.

But what's the problem?

They're still for the horse, right?

They've got to separate out the concepts from the can thing.

If he goes down.

What they're going to do is to try to build up the idea

protest of the liberal establishment views because the candidates screwed it up.

They will go back to the ego.

They're already on that.

That's right.

They're laying the groundwork, Price, for saying, well, it really wasn't the charge of the governor's views were ever an issue in this campaign.

They were really never discussed, never adequately presented.

He had problems with egos, etc., etc., right?

Well, there's one headline, but I've heard it happened to some team members.

But I haven't.

I haven't.

I think that's the reason.

I don't know what the hell that was, but that is true.

I agree with you.

I'm not a master.

I'm just not a faculty member.

That's an incredible belief.

Imagine yourselves many times when you spoke to the Energy Association.

Yeah.

Get it out the front.

And delivery is a pile of crap like you put out the other day.

He did what?

I do think this, in his work, getting the public consciousness that unless you do this idea of, which is in terms of Gerald Walden, a low road, gutter dam,

I've been having to live with this for years, and you've heard these things with those goddamn editors, and I'm always talking about issues.

Well, I didn't even remember I brought that up.

I think there's a judgmental flaw in this man, and his staff both.

His what?

His staff?

Staff two, apparently.

Right, so you were 40 points behind in the polls when you had some judgmental flaws, too.

Well, I know, but not so bad as you go before the editors.

I can understand this.

Didn't they return their home?

Well, I can't, I don't know.

But when I saw that, I walked out of that.

That was such a disgusting thing.

It must have been.

It sure did.

That has been a disaster.

Come on, just as they're home.

Just as they're home.

I'm sorry.

Before you go, John, would you say...

There's only one bill.

One bill coming before us, which I feel, which exceeds the budget, and I feel we've got to go.

That's veterans.

All right.

Isn't that right?

Is it not 250?

No, it's 225 and 220.

That's where the hang-up is between the two hours.

Between 225 and the money going in?

Well, that's easy.

But uh, we have to do it, because I heard you personally.

Yes indeed.

But we've uh, we told the Tigers to hold the Tigers at $220,000 and that's exactly what he's done.

The party won't give in.

I thought it was only going to be $225,000 ladies.

And we're talking about the money too when you're talking about that $5.

So it depends on it.

$220,000 OIC.

$220,000 a month.

OIC, what is it all about?

This is for Vietnam, for Vietnam veterans.

That's all that problem is.

Most of them are going to be satisfied.

Most of them.

Some of the better organizations here.

Oh, very good, Captain.

Very good.

We have to get the word out.

Okay, that's good.

That's over.

Thank you, Mr. Price.

God, thank you, Mr. President.

Thanks a lot.

$220 figure, $535 made.

And what we had proposed was $220.

That's what we had proposed.

That's what we proposed.

But informally, we've had the clearance on the $220.

All right.

Three of us over there.

All right.

I was talking to Eddie Cox who was out about that and he said that the only problem he was trying to do was some of the unreverence.

He was complaining about the fact that we're not treating them well and trying to get them to work over with the opposition.

I said I thought we were dealing with the problem.

I was just dealing with that problem.

Very much.

I think the dissatisfaction he was talking about would be on the county's campuses.

Because medical care, jobs to a large extent, have been taken care of.

There are three things that I'd just like to leave with you on the subject.

Tomorrow we announce the new rate, unemployment rate, and as you know, it went 5, 6, 5, 5.

But for betters, it really dropped.

It dropped to 6.3, or 6.6%.

Now, that means that in 16 months, your six-point program has been in effect.

We've gone from 9.3 to 6.6%.

What's coming up then?

What's going to happen?

The whole thing hanging in 5-5 is simply that the American industry is keeping its belt tight on the upswing this time.

It's not adding people and getting more productivity out of the people we have.

That's why their productivity looks so good.

But the employment doesn't look all that good.

What happens?

Every time they loosen their belt and start adding people, that's the thing that's to come.

I don't think it'll hit as soon as most people think.

Most people thought it'd hit by the year.

I don't think it'll hit until next year.

That's all right.

We can live with it as long as it's not moving in the right direction.

As long as it's moving in the right direction, then it is, and we can continue to say we're still aiming at 5% by the end of the year, and that'll be all right until November.

So I think we're all right on that.

The other thing about the veteran thing is that now we have more, well, just about four million Vietnam veterans that work in this country.

Four million?

Four million.

Did four million come from Vietnam?

Four million Vietnam veterans.

Oh, yeah.

Two and a half million.

Is that right?

Yes, but there's about six million who serve in this area.

It's pretty hard.

We just used the 20 to 29 age group as the Vietnam and Arab veterans.

There's a poor many of those guys who are at work today, less than 300,000 are not at work as of this time.

And all of the goals of your program, whether it was the total to be served, which we hoped would be about 1 million this last year, we exceeded that goal by almost a third of what they did.

The NIG, as you know, which had 100,000 target, they exceeded that by about 300,000.

So every single one of those things has worked out well.

So it's been a good program.

It's done a reasonably good job at the momentum that they're going to continue.

We've got a million and a quarter in school this fall, too.

Yeah, that's surprising.

And about, uh, we're doing something, right?

Doing many things, sir.

I was telling you that John, meeting with the labor leaders in the state of Michigan, went into the entity, and we invited about 20 to 30 guys to come out and meet with us.

And the only time I could do this was the first thing in the morning at 7.30 for breakfast.

Everyone would be invited to show up.

Normally it would be very indifferent.

And now when we show up, we're not hostile.

A lot of them would, even their units, declare for recovery.

Wanted to get some reassurances on some things.

This kind of climate is so remarkable, I can very well believe it.

I find the same thing.

I mean, I don't want to travel.

I'm leaving in a few minutes for Atlanta.

American Association of New York Colleges tonight.

Good.

That's a good group.

And I made some of the parents decide to take the first one of them out of my old district.

He's right.

He went to college, but I felt so greedy.

Oh, he didn't.

I don't care.

Well, the Iowa legislature took me out of that district this time around.

But, you know, you've got to go under and spend the next fall.

with a good heart.

He was great on organization days too.

He was.

He'd do better than people to write a war off.

He didn't stand for enough.

You know?

Right.

Well, he always started to cater to the university.

I always said, if you're not going to go with the many that cater to the university, it makes no sense to pitch.

It makes no sense.

It doesn't do it.

I said, well, Mr. President, I think that we finally got to know each other the seventh appearance because on the last one,

He got up and said, and told this crowd, it was the biggest crowd of the day, about a thousand people in the high school gym out in the middle of nowhere.

And he said to, you know, as much as I think of President Lincoln, we have the greatest president today in history, so.

I appreciate it.

I'm sorry to call you out.

No problem.

I'll tell you where it got me.

It got me real.

I thought this was the next time we'd hear it.

We're trying to get the cabinet together.

We want to get people together for the leaders for the last time before probably next week.

I don't know.

It's either Thursday or Friday.