{"conversationCode":"794-015","tapeNumber":794,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-794-015","startDateTime":"1972-10-09T20:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-09T20:37:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Oct-1972","startTime":"4:34 PM","endDate":"9-Oct-1972","endTime":"4:37 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:34 pm and 4:37 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 794-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 794-15\n\nDate: October 9, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:34 pm and 4:37 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n        The President's schedule\n            -Photograph session for congressional, gubernatorial, senatorial candidates\n                -Lighting\n            -Robert W. Hirsch, Louie B. Nunn\n                -Re-filming\n                     -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n\n                                        (rev. Nov-03)\n\n                     -Carveth S. Thompson\n                 -Pace\n                 -Harry S. Dent\n                     -Brad E. Hainsworth\n                 -Nunn\n                 -John W. Byrnes\n                     -Harold Froelich\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:37 pm.","filename":["794-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"794-014","nextCode":"794-016","transcript":[{"start":4.45,"end":21.44,"text":"They weren't always photos."},{"start":23.42,"end":25.86,"text":"They didn't come out."},{"start":27.26,"end":30.95,"text":"There was one individual car, a Thompson."},{"start":31.14,"end":32.27,"text":"He stopped to go to one hand."},{"start":32.45,"end":33.49,"text":"I agreed to meet him."},{"start":34.55,"end":38.42,"text":"Do you want to spend any time with none else here"},{"start":62.47,"end":64.79,"text":"They all understand that."},{"start":64.87,"end":70.96,"text":"I just can't do it."},{"start":71,"end":76.52,"text":"We can't because, of course, just be sure he knows there's a lot of people behind him."},{"start":76.66,"end":77.46,"text":"That's your plan."},{"start":78.28,"end":79.8,"text":"We're going to have none left."},{"start":79.86,"end":83.04,"text":"I'll make sure he's next to Nelson."},{"start":83.1,"end":86.06,"text":"I just don't want to reveal it."},{"start":86.08,"end":87.92,"text":"We can sit and talk about it."},{"start":87.94,"end":89.04,"text":"I understand."},{"start":92.23,"end":93.44,"text":"I'll take my own time."},{"start":93.47,"end":95.92,"text":"They all know that we can't do it."},{"start":97.54,"end":101.84,"text":"They all know that they're just going to get rid of it."},{"start":101.96,"end":105.57,"text":"Burns is going to get rid of it."},{"start":105.69,"end":107.19,"text":"But I've got a full issue."},{"start":108.11,"end":108.43,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to discuss the logistics of an upcoming photography session involving various political candidates and associates, including Louie B. Nunn and John W. Byrnes. The discussion centered on technical issues such as lighting and the need for re-filming certain sessions. Nixon provided specific instructions regarding the pacing of the event and requested that candidates understand the scheduling limitations.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Photography sessions","Political campaign management","White House logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:51:24.684Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","photography-sessions","political-campaign-management","white-house-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":120,"audioFiles":[{"file":"794-015.mp3","bytes":2877021,"durationSec":119.81,"bitrate":192100,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.476Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/794-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/794-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/794/conversation-794-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}