{"conversationCode":"794-018","tapeNumber":794,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-794-018","startDateTime":"1972-10-09T21:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-09T22:08:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Oct-1972","startTime":"5:11 PM","endDate":"9-Oct-1972","endTime":"6:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On October 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:11 pm and 6:08 pm. 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McClellan\n                  -Eastland\n                       -Gilbert Carmichael\n                            -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n                  -The President’s instructions to Ziegler\n                       -Campaigning\n                            -The President’s schedule\n\n                                        (rev. Nov-03)\n\nH.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 5:13 pm.\n\n         Candidates\n            -Supporters of the President\n                 -Donald W. Riegle, Jr.\n                 -Carmichael\n                 -Individual races\n                     -Campaigning\n                          -Endorsement letters\n                     -Support for the President’s foreign and defense policies\n                          -Democrats in Congress\n                 -Blount\n                 -Carmichael\n                     -Eastland\n                 -McClellan\n                 -Eastland\n                     -Agnew, Tricia Nixon Cox\n                     -The President’s participation in Campaigns\n\nZiegler left at 5:18 pm.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 22m 30s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[This conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 6:08 pm].","filename":["794-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"794-017","nextCode":"794-019","transcript":[{"start":18.47,"end":26.72,"text":"I wanted to cover a thing with you briefly."},{"start":27.38,"end":43.35,"text":"I was hit this morning in the briefing on a sensitive area which I just had to fuzz through and brush over because I was asked whether or not you supported all Republicans"},{"start":45.53,"end":49.59,"text":"And I said, look, I'm not going to do a state-by-state rundown and all this sort of committee stuff."},{"start":49.61,"end":50.69,"text":"And I went through all that."},{"start":51.19,"end":52.89,"text":"Then I was pressed, well, does he support you?"},{"start":53.03,"end":58.9,"text":"Are you meaning to say that you won't say that he supports the former member of the cabinet?"},{"start":58.95,"end":60.02,"text":"I said, well, he doesn't."},{"start":60.09,"end":61.96,"text":"They said, does he oppose?"},{"start":62.02,"end":63.54,"text":"I said, he certainly doesn't oppose him."},{"start":63.6,"end":65.5,"text":"And then I was asked whether or not he'd support him."},{"start":65.56,"end":67.06,"text":"I said, yes, he could write it either way."},{"start":67.08,"end":69.1,"text":"He doesn't oppose him or support him."},{"start":69.14,"end":72.88,"text":"So I made the point that we did not have a harsh"},{"start":111.47,"end":112.71,"text":"yeah yeah"},{"start":143.86,"end":144.16,"text":"Right."},{"start":144.24,"end":145.96,"text":"Right."},{"start":184.45,"end":185.37,"text":"uh... uh... uh..."},{"start":216.33,"end":231.76,"text":"There are several members of the House and several members of the Senate that we can strongly support, particularly the floor and the House."},{"start":233.02,"end":244.57,"text":"And we will definitely not, and we will not, we will not, we will not, we will not, we will not,"},{"start":261.9,"end":263.58,"text":"I'm not voting."},{"start":263.72,"end":265.84,"text":"I'm not voting."},{"start":265.88,"end":268.74,"text":"I'm not voting."},{"start":268.84,"end":269.54,"text":"I'm not voting."},{"start":270.02,"end":271.2,"text":"I'm not voting."},{"start":301.06,"end":308.54,"text":"Are you saying the president would oppose the members of the cabinet?"},{"start":308.68,"end":310.86,"text":"I said the president does."},{"start":318.05,"end":320.73,"text":"And I was asked, were you saying that he supports them?"},{"start":320.75,"end":322.91,"text":"There's a difference between not opposing and supporting."},{"start":323.11,"end":324.53,"text":"He said, well, you can write it either way."},{"start":325.63,"end":327.31,"text":"Not opposing or supporting."},{"start":327.33,"end":329.19,"text":"But I never said that he supports them."},{"start":330.6,"end":332.4,"text":"I think we're all right on that."},{"start":351.02,"end":358.41,"text":"I'm not going to get into any campaign in any individual region."},{"start":359.05,"end":362.99,"text":"I'm not going to participate in any individual campaign."},{"start":386.52,"end":392.87,"text":"you know what you do I guess right you only got 80% again what the hell are you worried about"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon, Ronald Ziegler, and H.R. Haldeman met to coordinate media strategy regarding Nixon's selective support for Republican candidates and specific congressional Democrats. Ziegler briefed the President on his efforts to navigate press inquiries about the administration's stance on various Senate and House races, emphasizing a policy of neutrality rather than blanket endorsements. The participants discussed managing the President's public involvement in campaigns and maintaining a balanced approach toward incumbent allies and former cabinet members.","topics":["1972 Presidential Campaign","Press Relations","Political Endorsements","Republican Party Strategy","Vietnam Negotiations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:51:41.411Z"},"topicSlugs":["1972-presidential-campaign","press-relations","political-endorsements","republican-party-strategy","vietnam-negotiations"],"audioDurationSec":409,"audioFiles":[{"file":"794-018.mp3","bytes":9826637,"durationSec":409.39,"bitrate":192026,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.476Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/794-018.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/794-018","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/794/conversation-794-018","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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