{"conversationCode":"795-008","tapeNumber":795,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-795-008","startDateTime":"1972-10-10T16:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-10T16:27:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:17 PM","endDate":"10-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:27 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brown, James; Brown, Joseph; Palmer, James F.; Bobbitt, Charles; Brown, Robert J.; Scott, Stanley S.; White House photographer;","description":"On October 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, James Brown, Joseph Brown, James F. Palmer, Charles Bobbitt, Robert J. Brown, Stanley S. Scott, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:17 pm to 12:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 795-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 795-8\nDate: October 10, 1972\nTime: 12:17 pm - 12:27 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with James Brown, Joseph Brown, James F. Palmer, Charles Bobbitt, Robert\nJ. Brown, and Stanley S. Scott; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of\nthe meeting.\n\n        Introductions and greetings\n             -Robert Brown\n             -James Brown\n             -Joseph Brown\n             -Bobbitt\n             -Palmer\n\n        Brown\n           -Career\n               -Gold records\n                   -1961\n\n        Photograph session\n            -Campaign literature\n\n        [Photograph session]\n            -The President’s well wishes\n            -Brown’s career\n                -Youth\n                     -Opportunities\n            -Joseph Brown\n            -Sammy Davis, Jr.\n                -Performance with father [Sammy Davis] at Copacabana in New York\n                     -The President’s attendance\n\n        Gift presentations\n             -Cuff links\n\n                                          (rev. Nov-03)\n\n                  -Presidential seals\n             -Pin for wife\n                  -Rug\n\n         Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.\n             -Birthday as a possible national holiday\n             -Birthplace in Atlanta as a possible national monument\n                  -President’s relationship with King\n                  -1972 election\n\n         Jim Brown of the Cleveland Browns\n\nJames Brown, et al. left at 12:27 pm.","filename":["795-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Brown, James","Brown, Joseph","Palmer, James F.","Bobbitt, Charles","Brown, Robert J.","Scott, Stanley S.","White House photographer"],"prevCode":"795-007","nextCode":"795-009","transcript":[{"start":2.42,"end":5.55,"text":"All right, Bob, how are you?"},{"start":5.57,"end":7.49,"text":"Mr. James Brown, how are you?"},{"start":7.55,"end":10.69,"text":"Nice to see you."},{"start":10.71,"end":12.25,"text":"Well, Joseph Brown."},{"start":12.51,"end":17.77,"text":"Are you the one he told us all about?"},{"start":17.96,"end":18.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":18.46,"end":19.32,"text":"That's, yeah."},{"start":19.34,"end":21.56,"text":"I just mentioned Charles Brown."},{"start":21.66,"end":22.18,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":22.22,"end":23.98,"text":"There's a man named James Brown."},{"start":24.08,"end":24.46,"text":"Where is it?"},{"start":24.5,"end":25.46,"text":"That's the corporation."},{"start":25.62,"end":28.36,"text":"And this is Paul."},{"start":28.68,"end":29.18,"text":"Yes, Paul."},{"start":31.79,"end":37.55,"text":"Well, I heard with you, that's it."},{"start":60.84,"end":66.19,"text":"I, uh, you know, I've seen, uh, follows that comes in here that's got a lot of gold records."},{"start":66.25,"end":67.29,"text":"You've got some records."},{"start":67.57,"end":68.19,"text":"Thirty-nine."},{"start":68.51,"end":68.93,"text":"Thirty-nine."},{"start":69.37,"end":71.29,"text":"Oh, that's great."},{"start":71.73,"end":72.21,"text":"That's great."},{"start":72.23,"end":74.49,"text":"You can get a hundred one day, can't you?"},{"start":74.51,"end":77.17,"text":"Well, how many years did it take you to get thirty-nine?"},{"start":77.53,"end":81.52,"text":"How many years did it take you to get thirty-nine?"},{"start":84.3,"end":86.63,"text":"You're a big selling star."},{"start":87.21,"end":100.92,"text":"Now this is some of the literature, some of our literature."},{"start":110.05,"end":110.65,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":111.41,"end":117.48,"text":"I should be here."},{"start":117.66,"end":119.16,"text":"We're all here."},{"start":119.28,"end":120.32,"text":"We're here."},{"start":120.9,"end":122.56,"text":"We're here."},{"start":123.72,"end":125.38,"text":"We're here."},{"start":129.49,"end":132.11,"text":"I'm sure you're doing well."},{"start":132.37,"end":134.23,"text":"I hear it's a success."},{"start":134.27,"end":134.67,"text":"Good work."},{"start":134.71,"end":139.85,"text":"I like the way you're running around kids, too."},{"start":139.93,"end":140.31,"text":"That's great."},{"start":140.33,"end":140.83,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":140.85,"end":142.29,"text":"I like it."},{"start":142.34,"end":142.62,"text":"I like it."},{"start":142.66,"end":143.12,"text":"I like it."},{"start":143.13,"end":144.86,"text":"I like it."},{"start":144.88,"end":145.64,"text":"I like it."},{"start":145.66,"end":146.12,"text":"I like it."},{"start":148.5,"end":154.8,"text":"I did one of the best things in the world."},{"start":154.82,"end":160.91,"text":"I did one of the best things in the world."},{"start":160.93,"end":163.41,"text":"I did one of the best things in the world."},{"start":183.47,"end":191.21,"text":"You know, when I first met"},{"start":208.72,"end":224.91,"text":"It's really great to see the way you do it."},{"start":226.19,"end":230.66,"text":"Show us what you're doing."},{"start":235.43,"end":246.53,"text":"He has a fantastic effect on the masses of kids."},{"start":247.66,"end":250.16,"text":"Oh, I know."},{"start":251.06,"end":262.58,"text":"Now let's get a picture with all the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh."},{"start":267.24,"end":288.33,"text":"Now, I need to think about what we call the part of the future of the president."},{"start":293.49,"end":307.85,"text":"And also for the wives, for the wives, this is the sealer."},{"start":308.45,"end":313.11,"text":"There is the seal in the rug, see?"},{"start":313.25,"end":317.05,"text":"That's the mark of this room."},{"start":319.27,"end":323.4,"text":"Every rubber's changed every four years."},{"start":323.86,"end":326,"text":"This is a new one."},{"start":328.3,"end":333.24,"text":"And here he is in a little pin."},{"start":333.3,"end":334.48,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":334.58,"end":335.92,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":336,"end":340.88,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":340.9,"end":342.42,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":342.88,"end":344.6,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":344.62,"end":346.26,"text":"That's your wife."},{"start":348.33,"end":348.79,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":349.05,"end":349.39,"text":"All right."},{"start":349.43,"end":349.87,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":349.99,"end":350.45,"text":"All right."},{"start":350.51,"end":353.87,"text":"You probably got three or four."},{"start":353.89,"end":357.07,"text":"But it's not that bad."},{"start":357.27,"end":362.8,"text":"There's a lot of offering people that want to see me tonight."},{"start":362.82,"end":366.76,"text":"So I have to get it."},{"start":367.02,"end":372.98,"text":"I think that means an answer."},{"start":377.63,"end":404.09,"text":"I like to speak for a lot of fresh people out here from the country who love sports and country"},{"start":408.62,"end":415.76,"text":"Dr. King, I want to come in here."},{"start":416.3,"end":427.17,"text":"One of the things that happened, I know about this, I don't know."},{"start":434.65,"end":446.98,"text":"Another thing, another thing that this is a project in Atlanta to make is the birthplace of a monument, an actual monument."},{"start":447.1,"end":449.8,"text":"I've always been talking to you about both of these."},{"start":449.9,"end":452.67,"text":"My objective is... That's got to be the greatest thing."},{"start":452.71,"end":454.15,"text":"You think that would mean a lot?"},{"start":454.21,"end":455.87,"text":"That would mean more."},{"start":456.61,"end":460.01,"text":"And speaking of the kind of development that would mean more."},{"start":460.39,"end":461.67,"text":"So we've got things to get over."},{"start":461.69,"end":463.45,"text":"I think the problem is not that."},{"start":464.3,"end":469.89,"text":"Let me say that I'm aware of it."},{"start":469.91,"end":477.48,"text":"I've talked to our own people, Bob and others, about these things."},{"start":488.01,"end":505.74,"text":"uh what could be appropriate because they there's there's about three uh memorial to the doctor i know it of course not well but i've had it done and so i just"},{"start":506.96,"end":513.68,"text":"You indicated the other day, Mr. President, that we didn't want to do anything until after the election."},{"start":513.7,"end":514.44,"text":"I think about it."},{"start":514.46,"end":518.28,"text":"If you do it before the election, it's tough."},{"start":518.3,"end":519.48,"text":"And he wasn't like that."},{"start":519.96,"end":525.92,"text":"The thing we wanted to do is do something that is appropriate."},{"start":526.8,"end":528,"text":"But I don't know."},{"start":528.02,"end":529.42,"text":"I'm involved in it."},{"start":537.06,"end":538.04,"text":"You're right."},{"start":538.08,"end":538.68,"text":"Well, I am."},{"start":559.07,"end":560.89,"text":"You're in the other camp, Rob."},{"start":561.03,"end":566.11,"text":"Or should we say he's in the other camp, Rob?"},{"start":566.43,"end":567.05,"text":"All right."},{"start":568.2,"end":569.5,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":569.56,"end":573.52,"text":"We wish you five years of success."},{"start":574.08,"end":577.54,"text":"There you go."},{"start":577.88,"end":579.62,"text":"Oh, I have fun."},{"start":579.73,"end":581.55,"text":"Don't you worry about it."},{"start":581.59,"end":583.55,"text":"You're a young fellow."},{"start":583.77,"end":584.89,"text":"Thank you a lot."},{"start":592.9,"end":593.09,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with entertainer James Brown and his associates to discuss Brown's career achievements and his influence on youth. During the visit, which included a photo session and the exchange of gifts, the participants touched upon potential federal initiatives regarding the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., including the establishment of a national holiday and a monument in Atlanta. 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