{"conversationCode":"797-015","tapeNumber":797,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-797-015","startDateTime":"1972-10-13T16:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-13T16:45:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:40 PM","endDate":"13-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:40 pm and 12:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 797-15\n\nDate: October 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:40 pm and 12:45 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n        Ralph Branca and Bobby Thompson\n            -Age and size\n            -Bull’s experience\n                -Ebbetts Field\n            -New York Giants-Brooklyn Dodgers rivalry\n\n        The President's schedule\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.\n\nManolo Sanchez entered and left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.","filename":["797-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Sanchez, Manolo"],"prevCode":"797-014","nextCode":"797-016","transcript":[{"start":1.05,"end":7.37,"text":"I expected them to be a lot older, and that is who called him Frank."},{"start":7.79,"end":8.65,"text":"Frank, yeah."},{"start":9.17,"end":10.31,"text":"Frank was very old."},{"start":11.19,"end":13.07,"text":"And I had the same observation."},{"start":13.11,"end":14.09,"text":"He was a lot smaller."},{"start":14.15,"end":14.49,"text":"Good."},{"start":14.52,"end":17.18,"text":"I spent more time in the field than I did in school."},{"start":17.22,"end":17.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":17.46,"end":19.56,"text":"That's why I told him, yeah."},{"start":20.14,"end":20.92,"text":"Oh, gee, I did."},{"start":21.4,"end":23.54,"text":"That was the greatest driver of all."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull engaged in a casual discussion regarding baseball history, specifically reflecting on the physical stature and aging of players like Ralph Branca and Bobby Thompson. The conversation transitioned into a brief review of the President's upcoming schedule. Manolo Sanchez joined the meeting briefly toward its conclusion, though the discussion remained informal throughout.","topics":["baseball","Ralph Branca","Bobby Thompson","presidential schedule","New York Giants","Brooklyn Dodgers"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:55:41.523Z"},"topicSlugs":["baseball","ralph-branca","bobby-thompson","presidential-schedule","new-york-giants","brooklyn-dodgers"],"audioDurationSec":43,"audioFiles":[{"file":"797-015.mp3","bytes":1043225,"durationSec":43.4,"bitrate":192299,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.477Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:35.086Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/797-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/797-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/797/conversation-797-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}