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Conversation: 797-018

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Start Date: 13-Oct-1972 3:05 PM

End Date: 13-Oct-1972 4:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

797-018a.mp3

797-018b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:05 pm to 4:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-018 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 797-18

Date: October 13, 1972
Time: 3:05 pm - 4:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (”Bob”) Haldeman.


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       [John B. Connally’s television [TV] appearance]
           -George S. McGovern
                -Defense plan
                    -Patrick J. Buchanan
                    -George E. Christian
                    -Henry A. Kissinger
           -Tone
           -John F. Kennedy
           -Franklin D. Roosevelt
           -Henry M. ("Scoop") Jackson
           -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Harry S. Truman
           -Dwight D. Eisenhower
           -Israel
           -Defense
           -The President’s handshake with Chou En-lai
                -Peking


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           -Truman Doctrine
               -1947 vote on Greece-Turkey aid bill
                   -Congressional Record
                       -Carey Estes Kefauver
                       -Eugene J. Keogh
                       -Kennedy
                       -Lyndon B. Johnson
                       -The President as Congressman
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        Vietnam negotiations
            -Status
            -The President’s recent conversation with Kissinger
                 -Obstacles to settlement
                     -Nguyen Van Thieu
                     -North Vietnamese
                         -Le Duc Tho


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Kissinger entered at 3:35 pm.

        Vietnam negotiations
            -William H. Sullivan
                -Contributions
            -National League of Families of prisoners of war [POWs]
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         -Speaking invitation
             -McGovern
             -The President
             -Kissinger’s schedule
                 -Paris
             -Spiro T. Agnew
             -William P. Rogers
             -Brig. Gen. Daniel (“Chappie”) James, Jr.
             -Adm. John S. McCain, Jr.
    -R. Sargent Shriver
         -Speech
             -Charge against the administration
                 -Kissinger’s trips
    -National League of Families
         -The President
             -1971
             -McGovern
                 -Debate
         -Kissinger's schedule
             -Paris
                 -Timing
                       -Announcement
         -McGovern's schedule
             -Los Angeles Hilton
                 -Labor meeting
         -Kissinger's schedule
             -Melvin R. Laird’s previous conversation with Kissinger
                 -Paper

The President's schedule
    -Frank L. Rizzo

Vietnam negotiations
    -National League of Families
        -Kissinger’s possible speech
              -Record
              -Thailand
    -Political aspects
        -McGovern
        -North Vietnamese
        -Administration opponents
              -Settlement timing
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                     -Briefings
            -Hanoi Trip
            -State Department
            -Radio address
                 -Announcement
                     -Timing
                         -[Ronald L. Ziegler]
            -Laird’s recommendation
                 -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
                     -Gen. William C. Westmoreland
            -Ellsworth F. Bunker
                 -Abrams
                     -Upcoming meeting with Kissinger
                         -Timing

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 4:43 pm.

            -State Department
                 -Rogers
                 -Communique during the People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                     -Kissinger’s recent conversation with Rogers
                     -Shanghai and Hangchow
                     -Number of word changes
                          -Marshall Green
                 -Conference Date
                     -Timing
            -Laird
                 -Abrams
                 -Rogers
                     -Sullivan
            -National League of Families
                 -The President’s instructions to Kissinger
            -McGovern
            -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
                 -Recent conversation with Kissinger
                     -1972 election’s possible impact on negotiations
                          -Kissinger’s trips
                     -McGovern’s position
                     -Le Duc Tho
                          -Meetings with Kissinger
                     -North Vietnamese
                          -Possible stalemate in negotiations
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     -New York Times, Washington Post
          -Possible motives
               -Fear of success
                   -Casualties, napalm
               -1972 election
-McGovern’s charges
     -Settlement timing
-Kissinger’s trips
     -Quest for peace
-State Department
     -The President’s view
     -Kissinger’s view
          -Disloyalty, philosophy of foreign affairs
               -Leadership
-South Vietnam
     -Victory prospects
          -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
     Saigon
-Nguyen Van Thieu
     -Bunker’s responsibilities
     -Overthrow
     -Cease-fire
     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
     -Military Strategy
          -III Corps
               -Leadership
     -Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to Saigon
     -The President’s possible letter
-Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to Saigon
     -North Vietnam
          -Settlement
               -Political aspects
               -Kissinger
                   -Hanoi
               -1972 election
-Analysis of North Vietnamese decision on peace
     -Haig and Kissinger
     -PRC
          -Kissinger’s view
-North Vietnam
     -Outstanding issues
-Kissinger's Schedule
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    -Le Duc Tho
    -Xuan Thuy
-Thieu’s possible actions
    -Resignation
    -Public statement
    -Resisgnation
         -Kissinger’s schedule
              -Paris
                   -Xuan Thuy
                        -Hanoi
                        -Settlement timing
                        -1972 election
                        -Bombing
    -Thieu
         -Haig’s deal
              -Comparisons
                   -Resignation
                   -Unity
                   -Substance
-Bunker
    -Thieu
-Agreement Possibility
    -Prisoners in South Vietnam
         -Thieu
              -Vietcong [VC]
-Economic aid program
    -Robert S. McNamara
-Possibility of Thieu's resignation
    -Kissinger’s handling
         -1972 election
              -Hanoi
              -Settlement
              -US domestic conditions
-Laird
    -Possible cease-fire
         -US equipment
-Abrams
-Sullivan
    -Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Vientianne
-Kissinger’s schedule
    -Hanoi
         -Chou En-Lai
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                      -Le Duc Tho


Kissinger left at 4:03 pm.