{"conversationCode":"797-028","tapeNumber":797,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-797-028","startDateTime":"1972-10-13T20:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-13T20:39:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Oct-1972","startTime":"4:33 PM","endDate":"13-Oct-1972","endTime":"4:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.;","description":"On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:33 pm and 4:39 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-028 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 797-28\n\nDate: October 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:33 pm and 4:39 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.\n\n        Radio Address on crime and Drug Abuse, October 15, 1972\n            -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.\n            -Anecdote\n                -Death of [Frank Tummillo]\n\nButterfield left at an unknown time before 4:39 pm.","filename":["797-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P."],"prevCode":"797-027","nextCode":"797-029","transcript":[{"start":1.28,"end":4.72,"text":"Oh, this is big."},{"start":4.74,"end":5.08,"text":"Kill it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met to review preparations for the President’s upcoming October 15 radio address regarding crime and drug abuse. The discussion focused on the inclusion of a specific anecdote concerning the death of Frank Tummillo, which Nixon intended to highlight to emphasize the severity of the issue. Egil “Bud” Krogh, Jr. was identified as a key contributor to the drafting process for these remarks.","topics":["Radio Address","Crime","Drug Abuse","Egil Krogh","Frank Tummillo"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T23:56:52.591Z"},"topicSlugs":["radio-address","crime","drug-abuse","egil-krogh","frank-tummillo"],"audioDurationSec":60,"audioFiles":[{"file":"797-028.mp3","bytes":1442585,"durationSec":60.04,"bitrate":192216,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.477Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/797-028.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/797-028","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/797/conversation-797-028","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}