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Start Date: 14-Oct-1972 11:57 AM

End Date: 14-Oct-1972 1:27 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.Price, Raymond K., Jr.Ehrlichman, John D.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Sanchez, ManoloHoopes, David C.

Recording Device: Oval Office

798-015a.mp3

798-015b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Raymond K. Price, Jr., John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, and David C. Hoopes met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:57 am to 1:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 798-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 798-15

Date: October 14, 1972
Time: 11:57 am - 1:27 pm
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with Stephen B. Bull and Raymond K. Price, Jr.

         Greetings

         Meeting participants
            -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
            -John D. Ehrlichman
                 -Location

         Weather

Bull left at 11:56 am.

         Clothing
             -Sport coats

         The President's schedule
             -Camp David
                 -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
                 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp

Ehrlichman entered at 11:57 am.

         Speeches
             -Foreign policy
                 -Vietnam

Haldeman entered at 11:58 am.

Manolo Sanchez entered at 11:58 am.

         Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:26 pm.

         Foreign policy speech
             -Foreign Affairs article by the President, 1967
                 -Vietnam
                 -Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China [PRC], Middle East, Europe
             -Conference of European Security and Cooperation
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                              Tape Subject Log
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    -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] II
    -US-Soviet Union trade agreement
    -Vietnam
         -Peking, Moscow initiatives
         -Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
             -Proposed timing of speech
             -Possibility of change in events
         -George S. McGovern
             -Foreign affairs handling
    -Timing
         -Kissinger’s schedule
         -October 29, 1972

Radio speeches
    -Philosophy of government
        -Paternalism
        -Tone
             -Spending ceiling
             -Crime and drug abuse
    -Non-partisan tone
        -Crime and drug abuse
        -Uplifting subject matter
             -The President’s trip to Atlanta
    -Programs for next four years
        -Press relations
        -Spending
             -Public expectations
    -Philosophy of government
        -Paternalism
        -New American Majority speech
        -Timing
             -Sunday newspapers
    -News value
    -Veterans
    -American farmer
        -Small town
             -Hannibal, Missouri
    -Busing
    -Education
        -Clark MacGregor
        -Aid to parochial schools
        -McGovern
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                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Nov-03)

    -Lobby
         -National Education Association [NEA]
    -Finances
         -Property taxes
-Property taxes
    -Tax reform
         -Aid for the elderly
    -Timing
         -1972 election
         -Congressional adjournment
         -News value
    -Spending ceiling
    -Fiscal dividend
         -Federal bureaucracy restraint
         -Milton Friedman
         -Herbert Stein
         -George P. Shultz
         -Inflation
-American farmer
    -The President's trip to Ohio
    -Importance
         -Bryce Harlow
         -John C. Whitaker
    -Veterans
-Property taxes
    -Elderly
         -Personal subsidy
-Timing
    -Inflation
         -Costs
              -Debt, Social Security, wages
    -Crime
    -Paternalism
    -Tax reform
    -Veterans
-Copy of draft on taxes
    -Lewis A. Engman
    -Shultz, Stein
         -Decision by the President
    -Property tax
         -Value Added Tax [VAT]
-Property taxes
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                                  Tape Subject Log
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              -Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR]
              -Neil H. McElroy Commission
              -ACIR
              -Education financing
                   -McGovern
              -Federal government expansion
                   -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW], Social Security
                          Administration [SSA], government payrolls
                   -Appropriations
                        -Wilbur D. Mills
                   -Shultz
                        -Tax reductions
                             -1969
                   -Fiscal dividend
                   -Engman and Shultz
              -William F. Safire
          -Foreign policy
          -“Look to the future”
          -Safire
              -Economic topics
                   -Los Angeles
                        -Urban affairs draft
                   -“Look to the future”
                        -Item for the weekend newspapers
                   -Foreign policy
                        -Ohio
                        -American farmer
                   -Newsworthiness
                        -Foreign policy
                   -Crime and drug abuse
                        -Timing
                             -Football, Meet the Press
                             -World Series
                             -Church


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 7s ]
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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       Radio speeches
           -Crime and drug abuse
               -Timing
                    -World Series
                    -Ratings
           -American farmer
           -Vietnam veterans
               -Timing
                    -Press coverage
               -Amnesty
               -Strong US
               -Volunteer armed forces
                    -Respect
                         -Law enforcement
           -Law enforcement officials
           -Crime and drug abuse
               -[Frank J. Tummillo]
               -Drug dealing
               -Mafia
               -Medals for law enforcement officials
                    -Tummillo
                         -Congressional Medal of Honor
                         -Medal of Freedom
                         -Presidential medal
                              -Freedom
                                   -The President’s Laredo, Texas speech
                              -Symbolism
                                   -Previous visit to the White House
                              -Citizens Medal
                    -J. Edgar Hoover
                    -Treasury Department
                         -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                    -Comparison to Vietnam combat medals
                    -Tummillo
                         -Citizens Medal
                         -Conversation with the President
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                  -Fordham University
              -New York
                  -Philadelphia
              -Treasury Department
         -Citizens Medal
              Congressional Medal of Honor
-American farmer
-Education
-Timing
    -American dream
         -California delivery
-Foreign policy
    -Kissinger's office
    -Lee W. Huebner
         -Draft
    -Style
-American farmer and Veterans speeches
    -Significance
-Tax
    -Timing
-Education
-Equal opportunity
    -Work ethic, job training, women
-1972 election issues
    -Safire
    -The President’s nomination acceptance speech
    -Controversy
    -McGovern
    -John B. Connally
         -Tone
              -The President’s instructions on speeches
-Equal opportunities
    -Education
-Urban affairs
    -Government responsiveness
    -Revenue sharing
    -Great Society programs
    -New Federalism
    -Draft for Ehrlichman
    -Crime
         -Washington, DC
         -Address on Crime and Drug Abuse
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                              (rev. Nov-03)

        -Welfare rights
            -Arrests
                 -Democrats for Nixon
        -Ehrlichman’s draft
        -Equal opportunity
            -Education
        -Harvard University urbanologists
        -Revenue sharing
        -John V. Lindsay
        -Quality of life
        -1970 State of the Union address
        -Environment
            -Water bill veto
        -Press relations
        -McGovern
            -Position
                 -Staff paper
    -One subject approach
        -Timing
            -1972 campaign conclusion
    -Length
        -Disclaimer
    -The President's office in Camp David
        -Address on Crime and Drug Abuse

1972 campaign
    -The President's schedule
        -Congress
            -Consideration of bills passed
                 -Number
        -Radio addresses
        -New York
            -Timing of announcement
        -Regions to be covered
        -Congressional relations
        -Speech schedule
        -Action on bills
            -Tax increase
            -The President’s consultations with Domestic Council, William E.
                   Timmons, Congressional leaders

Revenue sharing signing ceremony
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                          (rev. Nov-03)

-Timing
    -Wires
-Philadelphia
    -Demonstrators
         -Democrats
    -Independence Hall
         -House of Representatives hall
              -Advantages
    -Frank L. Rizzo
    -Philadelphia City Hall
    -Security
         -Rizzo
    -Milton J. Shapp
         -Invitation
    -Reception for the President
         -Rizzo
    -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
         -Possible appearance
    -Mayors wives
         -[Unknown person]
         -Wilmer D. Mizell [?]
         -[Unknown person]
         -Tampa [Dick A. Greco, Jr.]
         -Connally’s statement
              -Monterrey, California
                   -Democrat Mayors for Nixon
-Independence Hall
    -Shapp
    -Hecklers
    -Motorcade
    -Invitees
         -Carpenters Hall
         -Senate, House of Representatives
         -Legislation's cosponsors
         -Mills
         -Huey Long
         -Russell B. Long
    -Timing
         -Television coverage
         -Rizzo
              -Crowd control
                   -Police involvement
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                     -Blacks
        -Shapp
            -Editorials
        -Independence Hall
        -Courtyard
        -Hecklers
        -Liberty Bell
            -Receiving line
            -Declaration of Independence
            -Signing of the Constitution
            -Rizzo’s appeal to the President
        -Rizzo
            -R. Sargent hriver anecdote
                 -Allegation
                      -Unknown woman
                           -Channel 3 Westinghouse [KYW-TV]
            -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
                 -Housing commissioner position
            -Press relations
            -Independence Hall
                 -Upcoming telephone call from Ehrlichman to Rizzo
                 -Announcement
                 -Invitation to the President
                      -Telephone call from Rizzo to the President

1972 campaign
    -The President’s schedule
        -Bills

Speeches
    -Work ethic
        -American working men
        -Labor Day
        -Ehrlichman’s view
    -The President's decision making
        -Price’s staffer’s suggestion
             Television [TV]
                  Oval Office
        -McGovern
        -Oval Office
             -TV
                  -Comparison with radio speeches from Camp David office
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                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Nov-03)

    -Renewal of American spirit
    -Urban affairs
    -American farm
    -Murray Weidenbaum
        -Speech
            -Bringing the nation together
                 -St. Louis, Missouri

International relations
     -The President’s accomplishments
         -Vietnam war
         -Recent visitor’s comment
              -Japan–PRC relations
                   -The President’s trip the PRC
         -PRC–Soviet Union initiatives
              -North Korea-South Korea relations
              -Romanians, Poles
              -Czechoslovakia
     -Potential of war
         -India, Pakistan
              -Jews
              -Arabs
              -Communism
     -Soviet Union, PRC
     -Vietnam, Korea

The President's philosophy of differences
    -Old, young
    -Men, women
    -Blacks, whites
    -Gen. Walter R. Tkach, doctors from the PRC
    -World leaders
        -Chou En-Lai, the President
        -Leonid I. Brezhnev, the President
    -The President's 1967 Foreign Affairs article
    -The President's approach contrasted with McGovern's
        -Soviet Union
             -Interests
    -College campuses
        -Jobs
        -Faculties
    -The President's philosophy of differences
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                               (rev. Nov-03)

    -The Great Society
    -Civil War
    -Blacks
        -White Southerners
        -White Northerners
        -Commonality of interest
            -Economics
            -Harry S. Ashmore quote

The South
    -Southern strategy
    -Lyndon B. Johnson
    -The President’s education
    -Gen. William T. Sherman
        -Gone With the Wind
            -March on Atlanta
    -Reconstruction
    -Gen. Ulysses S. Grant
        -Sherman
            -Edwin Stanton
    -Southern pride
    -Northerners
        -Linwood Holton
        -Donald H. Rumsfeld
        -Sidwell Friends School
            -Black quota
                  -Whittier College
        -Sensitivity of Southerners
            -Unknown woman
                  -Comment to the President
        -Southern strategy
            -Appointment of judges
                  -Busing
        -Politicians
            -Richard B. Russell
            -John C. Stennis
            -Long
                  -Jacob Javits
        -Democrats
            -George C. Wallace
                  -Connally
            -The President
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                -Race
            -Defense issue
            -McGovern
                -Supporters
                      -Lifestyle
                -Morality, patriotism
        -Race
            -Michigan
            -Alabama
            -Schools
                -Desegregation
                -Taxes on private schools
        -Respect for the law, Presidency
            -Labor
                -George Meany, Shultz
                      -Edward R.G. Heath
                      -Conversations with the British, 1970
            -Comparison with British
                -Sir Anthony Barber
                -Wage and price controls
                      -Labor unions
                           -Arthur F. Burns
                           -Meany
                -Public opinion
                      -Meany
                            -McGovern
                               -Popularity
                               -Patriotism

Speeches
    -Themes
        -The American spirit
        -New American Majority
            -The President’s trip to Atlanta
            -Franklin D. Roosevelt's coalition
                -South, North
                -City bosses, intellectuals
                -Labor, wealthy
            -Group appeal
                -Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans, Southerners
                -Midwesterners
                     -The President’s parents
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     -Far Westerners, Upper New Yorkers
-Basic American values
-Patriotism
-Moral, spiritual values
-Permissiveness
-Work ethic
     -Welfare
-The South
     -Regional meeting
     -Vietnam war
          -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
          -Cambodia
          -May 8, 1972 military action
          -Universities
     -Compared with other areas of support
          -National defense
          -Ethnics, mountain, farm areas
          -Educated suburban areas
               -Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago
          -May 8, 1972 action
               -Establishment reaction
                    -Business community
                        -Stock Market
                    -Educators, college presidents
                    -Media
-Sources of support for the President
     -View of elites
     -South, ethics, labor, farmers, cattlemen
     -San Diego, Orange County
     -Foreign policy
-Robert Teeter
     -Evanston, Pasadena, San Marino, Arcadia
-Catholic vote
     -Abortion issue
-South
     -Racism
-Priority of issues
     -Patriotism
     -Morality
     -Religion
     -Material issues
          -Taxes
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                              -Prices
                                   -McGovern
                                       -Welfare proposal
                              -Wages
                                   -Labor
                              -Business

David C. Hoopes entered at 1:26 pm.

        The President’s schedule
            -Congressional adjournment
                -Conference
                     -Debt ceiling bill
                -Timmons’s view
                -Timmons's telephone calls

Price, Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and Hoopes left at 1:27 pm.