{"conversationCode":"799-011","tapeNumber":799,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-799-011","startDateTime":"1972-10-16T14:22:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-16T14:23:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Oct-1972","startTime":"10:22 AM","endDate":"16-Oct-1972","endTime":"10:23 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On October 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:22 am to 10:23 am. 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Rogers\n                     -Possible meeting with Foreign Minister\n                     -U. Alexis Johnson\n\nKissinger left at 10:23 am.","filename":["799-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"799-010","nextCode":"799-012","transcript":[{"start":0.76,"end":4.28,"text":"Mr. President, I've got one other thought, just to have it in mind."},{"start":6.34,"end":9.38,"text":"Supposing, Mr. President, I go to Illinois."},{"start":10.78,"end":16.64,"text":"Could I then offer to meet you in Midway next week?"},{"start":17.34,"end":18.52,"text":"Any time."},{"start":18.55,"end":21.07,"text":"You see, supposing we did it this way, I come back from Illinois."},{"start":22.63,"end":25.19,"text":"You go out to Midway, meet you in Midway."},{"start":26.23,"end":28.79,"text":"Then you come back from Midway, and I don't see a schedule."},{"start":30.3,"end":33.48,"text":"I thought of that, and I said, don't clear that with Hall or anybody."},{"start":33.5,"end":34.8,"text":"I don't want this disgusting thing."},{"start":34.82,"end":41.69,"text":"I said, if you and I have that private side deal, then I'll cancel the whole thing and schedule it."},{"start":41.73,"end":43.93,"text":"That would be an even more dramatic way."},{"start":43.95,"end":45.03,"text":"That's right."},{"start":45.41,"end":46.42,"text":"We'd go to Hanoi."},{"start":46.66,"end":47.04,"text":"That's right."},{"start":47.5,"end":48.22,"text":"And then Biden."},{"start":48.44,"end":49.68,"text":"I'd come back with Biden."},{"start":50,"end":50.2,"text":"Right."},{"start":51.67,"end":53.44,"text":"I go from Siouxtown to Midway."},{"start":53.55,"end":53.94,"text":"That's right."},{"start":54.3,"end":56.16,"text":"I'll meet you at Midway with you."},{"start":56.22,"end":56.5,"text":"Good night."},{"start":57.16,"end":58.4,"text":"Or I'll come back here and go to Midway."},{"start":58.42,"end":58.6,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":58.62,"end":61.1,"text":"You go to Midway, and I'll meet there, and I'll fly you to Midway."},{"start":61.12,"end":62.96,"text":"I'm afraid you'll have Rogers in your hand."},{"start":64.66,"end":65.52,"text":"I'm not saying you're wrong."},{"start":65.54,"end":67.78,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":68.4,"end":70.92,"text":"What the hell's the difference?"},{"start":70.94,"end":71.7,"text":"What's the difference?"},{"start":72.62,"end":73.02,"text":"He'll have to..."},{"start":73.06,"end":75.46,"text":"But I'll just leave you alone and have Rogers go to the foreman's."},{"start":75.48,"end":78.74,"text":"And that might be another way of doing it."},{"start":78.76,"end":78.84,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":80.49,"end":80.87,"text":"Okay."},{"start":80.95,"end":84.64,"text":"Rogers and Johnson."},{"start":84.7,"end":85.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":86.06,"end":86.98,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":87.46,"end":88.08,"text":"Good deal, Henry."},{"start":89.16,"end":89.46,"text":"Good."},{"start":90.16,"end":91.32,"text":"And that he might have had."},{"start":92.02,"end":92.32,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed the logistical arrangements for upcoming Vietnam peace negotiations, focusing on a potential secret meeting with South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu at Midway Island. They deliberated on travel schedules to Hanoi, Saigon, and Midway while strategizing how to keep these plans discreet, specifically aiming to exclude Secretary of State William P. Rogers from the core negotiations. The pair agreed to finalize the itinerary to ensure diplomatic secrecy and maintain control over the high-stakes peace process.","topics":["Vietnam negotiations","Nguyen Van Thieu","Midway Island","Diplomatic strategy","Henry Kissinger","William P. 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