{"conversationCode":"801-023","tapeNumber":801,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-801-023","startDateTime":"1972-10-17T19:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-17T19:02:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Oct-1972","startTime":"3:00 PM","endDate":"17-Oct-1972","endTime":"3:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:00 pm and 3:02 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 801-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 801-23\n\nDate: October 17, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 3:00 pm and 3:02 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n        The President's schedule\n            -Forthcoming meeting with John B. Connally\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:02 pm.\n\n                                                     Conversation No. 801-24/802-1\n\nDate: October 17, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 3:02 pm and 4:07 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 4m 20s ]\n\nJohn B. Connally entered at 3:03 pm.\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Campaign contributors\n          -Appeal for Democrats for Nixon funds\n              -Clark MacGregor\n              -John A. Mulcahy\n              -Frank E. Fitzsimmons\n                   -International Brotherhood of Teamsters\n              -Milk producers\n              -Fitzsimmons\n              -Dwayne O. Andreas\n              -Meshulam Riklis\n              -Arthur Cohen\n              -Daniel K. Ludwig\n                   -1968 campaign activities\n              -Herbert W. Kalmbach\n              -Connally’s role in fundraising\n              -Leon Hess\n              -John Loeb\n                   -Loeb’s son-in-law\n                   -Contribution\n              -Jewish contributors\n                   -Israel issue\n                   -Spending by Democrats for Nixon\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 50s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Connally’s forthcoming broadcast on foreign policy\n          -Effectiveness on party loyalty\n               -Democrats\n\n                    -Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Adlai E.\n                    Stevenson II, [Thomas] Woodrow Wilson\n           -The President's conversation with William H. Carruthers\n               -Picture of George S. McGovern\n           -The President's handshake with Chou En-lai\n           -The President’s negotiations with Leonid I. Brezhnev\n           -Use of Congressional Record\n               -Consistency of the President's views\n           -Connally’s reading of material\n               -A. James Reichley\n                    -Fortune\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 14m 10s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n       Watergate related issues\n          -Corruption\n               -Watergate\n                    -Donald H. Segretti\n                    -Dwight L. Chapin\n               -Connally’s previous press conference\n                    -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n                    -Incident with fire marshal at George S. McGovern event\n                         -Accusation of Republican sabotage\n                         -Los Angeles, California\n                    -1968 bugging incident\n                         -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] employee\n               -New York Times\n                    -Pulitzer Prize\n                         -Publication of national security information\n               -Jack N. Anderson\n                    -National Security Council [NSC] files\n\n-Segretti\n    -Actions\n          -Connally’s view\n              -MacGregor’s statement\n                   -Avoidance of questions\n                   -Compared to Ronald L. Ziegler\n-Contributions\n    -Maurice H. Stans\n    -Connally’s previous press conference\n          -Question about International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]\n           contribution to McGovern\n              -Columbus, Ohio\n              -George Embry\n                   -Columbus Dispatch\n          -ITT’s pattern of contributions\n          -Portrayals of wealthy Democratic and Republican donors\n              -Stewart R. Mott\n    -Walter T. Duncan\n          -Hubert H. Humphrey\n          -Byran, Texas\n          -San Antonio, Texas\n          -Connally’s view\n              -Jeno F. Paulucci\n          -Humphrey\n          -Committee to Re-Elect the President [CRP]\n-Watergate\n    -The President's knowledge of break-in\n          -Florida\n    -Bugging of Democratic Committee headquarters\n    -Responsibility of lower-echelon personnel\n          -Possible demonstrations at Republican National Convention\n-Campaign practices\n    -Segretti operation\n    -Lack of connection to Watergate\n          -Washington Post story\n    -Nature of operation\n          -Campaign rallies and meetings\n    -Relationship to Chapin\n    -Compared Wendell L. Willkie's campaign activities\n          -Press reaction\n          -Michael [Last name unknown]\n    -McGovern campaign activities\n\n    -Demonstrations against the President in San Francisco\n          -McGovern office in Berkeley\n    -Additional demonstrations in California\n          -McGovern office in Los Angeles\n    -Burning of CRP office in Phoenix, Arizona\n    -Firebombing of additional CRP offices\n    -Press reports\n-President’s knowledge of Watergate\n-Segretti operation\n    -The President’s knowledge\n    -Democratic Presidential primaries\n          -Segretti compared to Watergate burglars\n    -CRP\n          -Desire for campaign intelligence\n              -Chapin\n              -Contact with Segretti\n                    -Segretti’s background\n                        -University of Southern California [USC]\n                        -Treasury Department\n                        -Army\n                        -School activities\n    -Segretti’s contact with Chapin\n          -Updates on activities\n              -Edmund S. Muskie, Humphrey, Henry M. (“Scoop”)\n               Jackson\n    -Separation from Watergate\n    -Funding from CRP\n    -G[eorge] Gordon Liddy\n          -Watergate investigation\n              -Telephone logs\n              -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]\n              -Segretti’s appearance before grand jury\n    -FBI leak\n    -Chapin’s statement\n    -Segretti’s statement\n    -Haldeman\n    -Chapin\n    -Gordon C. Strachan\n    -Chapin's role at White House\n    -Advancemen\n    -Connections\n          -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.\n\n               -Watergate\n               -White House\n                    -Pentagon Papers\n                        -Cubans\n                        -Daniel Ellsberg\n    -White House position\n          -Condemnation of illegal campaign activities\n               -Electronic surveillance\n-Connally’s view\n    -MacGregor\n    -Robert J. Dole\n          -Accusations against CRP\n          -Richard (“Dick”) Tuck's activities on behalf of Humphrey\n                Pizzas\n               -Black ambassadors\n-1960 campaign\n    -Tuck\n-1968 campaign\n    -Bugging of the President’s airplane\n          -J. Edgar Hoover\n               -John N. Mitchell\n          -Johnson\n               -Humphrey\n               -Vietnam negotiations\n               -Bugging of the President’s compartment\n                    -Knowledge of the President’s conversations\n    -Connally's press conference\n          -Actions of previous administrations\n-Segretti\n    -Possible response\n          -Dole\n               -Hunt, Liddy\n               -Money\n          -Dole, MacGregor\n          -Liddy\n               -Possible connection to Watergate\n-Tuck\n    -Possible press reports\n    -Segretti compared to Tuck\n    -Fake press releases\n-Barry M. Goldwater campaign\n    -Richard M. Scammon\n\n                     -Leaks\n                         -Johnson's advance knowledge of Goldwater’s speeches\n\nConnally's schedule\n   -Meeting with Dell E. Webb, Ludwig\n   -Ludwig\n        -Herbert Brownell\n        -Campaign contributions\n             -CRP\n             -Mulcahy\n\n1972 election\n    -The President’s possible speech\n        -The administration’s accomplishments\n        -Plans for future\n             -The President’s schedule\n                  -New York\n             -Peace\n             -Inflation\n             -Economic growth\n             -Reform\n    -The President's schedule\n        -Radio speeches\n             -Tone\n             -Crime, tax reform, government spending\n             -Foreign policy, vision of America\n    -The President’s forthcoming victory\n        -Irrelevance of mandate\n             -Compared to Johnson’s 1964 victory\n        -McGovern, Eastern liberal media, Eastern Establishment\n             -Significance of defeat\n        -US political system\n        -Possible effect of the President’s substantial victory\n             -Proponents of “way out” lifestyle\n             -Proponents of US withdrawal from Vietnam\n             -New isolationism\n             -New York Times\n             -Washington Post\n             -Newsweek\n             -Time\n             -Television networks\n             -Eastern Establishment\n\n                -Universities\n            -“Decent” people\n                -South\n                -Midwest\n                -California\n\nPost-1972 election plans\n    -“New Establishment”\n    -Government\n        -Jews\n             -Loyalties\n        -Intellectuals\n             -Harvard University\n             -Yale University\n             -Columbia University\n             -Fordham University\n        -FBI\n             -Loyalty\n             -Background of agents during Hoover's tenure\n                  -Harvard University\n                  -Georgetown University\n                  -Midwest\n                  -South\n        -Press relations\n             -New York Times\n             -Washington Post\n             -Hugh S. Sidey\n             -Embry\n             -Sidey\n             -The President's background\n                  -Whittier\n\nMcGovern\n   -South Dakota background\n   -Liberal leanings\n       -Georgetown\n   -Forthcoming defeat in South Dakota\n\nPost-1972 election plans\n    -State Department\n    -Defense Department\n    -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n\n             -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]\n             -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]\n\n        1972 election\n            -Defeat of McGovern\n                -Permissiveness\n                -Shame in the US\n                -Lack of patriotism\n            -Vietnam War\n                -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech\n                -Cambodia, Laos, May 8, 1972 decision by the President\n            -Youth\n                -Percentage support of the President\n                -Peer group pressure\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.\n\n        The President's schedule\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:07 pm.\n\n        1972 election\n            -Support for the President\n                -Midwest\n            -McGovern as symbol\n                -Media\n                     -Rationale for McGovern’s defeat\n                          -Thomas F. Eagleton\n                          -McGovern’s campaign\n                -Ideas as issue\n                     -Amnesty for draft evaders\n                     -Marijuana\n                     -Cuts in defense spending\n                     -Lifestyle\n                          -Supporters\n                -Media\n                     -Rationale for McGovern’s defeat\n                          -McGovern’s campaign\n\n        Campaign practices\n           -McGovern’s campaign\n               -Personal nature of attacks\n\n                      -Compared to the President’s campaign\n                      -Connally’s public statement\n             -John D. Ehrlichman\n                 -McGovern's charge\n\n[An unknown portion of the conversation was not recorded at this time while the tape was\nchanged]","filename":["801-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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