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I was thinking of these for the domestic council papers as part of the speeches.

But with regard to the speeches, I do hope that you will put me beyond the price that the education did this morning.

I feel I have to do it.

And there is very good places in that way to

Ray has my notes from our conversation the other day, and he's moving on.

We're also doing the parochial aid thing with a bishop from Detroit rather than New York.

On Flanagan's recommendation, he said that this fellow is the chairman of all the Catholic school apparatus, and he's a better guy to be corresponding with.

So he's going to set it up.

Not bad.

Second point.

I was thinking that on the domestic council, they were going to draw maybe ten papers.

and maybe some cohesion or a theme to them.

What I meant is that we don't now presently know that everybody is an immigration law officer, or certainly maybe one.

But one, for example, that's very possible, and I would like to see that included in Ohio.

I think it goes to the border, Kentucky.

I want to do something.

I just have a feeling I've got to do something.

I don't know if I need to or not.

the border of Kentucky happens to be across, right across, it is, it would be a joint meeting for Kentucky and Western Kenya in the heart of Appalachia.

Now, there you've got Black Plum, you've got what we've done in rural home, and the rest of the, anything in terms of policy statement or anything new in that area, it's straight behind me.

For example, we could even throw up on a new Iowa law, but I would think that it would be important to do that.

But I was thinking that in addition to the other places, you want to put out something in Denver and you want to talk about quality of life in Denver or the environment.

There's a good chance to really make our mark on the health and environmental safety.

a major statement so that we can understand and repeat what you said about the water need for her to go forward.

The ranks of Congress didn't pass.

They didn't pass all of our environment bills.

You passed 10 out of 31.

Oh, that's not bad.

I would say that's better than thoroughly.

Just say they're batting less than 300, and that is good enough to choose that.

The Congress in the environment batted less than 300 in this Congress.

And when they bat less than 300 in the championship games,

Okay.

I used your AWOL line in the veto message.

It's got a little reaction.

Well, what I am thinking of is that non-personal education.

You must lead, but I lead.

come back and put out again.

You know what I mean?

Just get prices down, change a few letters.

I mean, change a few words.

You've got the prices, things like that.

Or you just need to educate the children.

Health.

You've got to help.

Prices.

Taxes.

I'm going to do the tax records, reiterate that again.

I've got a reason to reiterate it.

At the conclusion of my veto, the rest will say I'm still

Well, we were wondering if we have sort of a wholesale veto next week.

We could do it in there and the statement that goes with that and then play off it on a trip Now in terms of these messages

I have eight of them in the works right now and I'll expand that a little bit so that we have the option of dropping one going in and one coming out.

Northern Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, the complex, you know, that's the honor.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Yeah.

I was talking to this, this boat, Saturday, he goes to his wife over here, and he's very grateful.

He's trying to present a paper on it.

one of the major things we should do is to, is to have a study made of who the unemployed are and why they're unemployed.

They should know why that physical and mental disability is one of the major reasons.

And then what you have to do is, of course, you have to fight for labor.

Then you have to provide means whereby people who are morons or people who are physically disabled can be employed.

Probably not, because nowadays they're eligible for employment compensation or welfare or some of that kind of thing, and it's easier for them not to.

We've got a breakout.

You have to say he was very interested in daycare centers in Chicago.

Not him.

But he said, you know, I see these well-earned money.

He said, they ought to work.

And he said, but they can't get your kids to work.

And he said, you can provide more.

And I said, well, I've got to get your money.

I wonder, rather than on the daycare center,

This is something that isn't on any books, but it's the right thing to do, that we just ought to separate that out, you know, basically, and have a decent daycare proposal, rather than just having that we've been able to say, for each other, a daycare proposal, or basically, people on welfare, let's just put it that way.

I mean, rather than working on this, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know how you could do it, but...

If you could work that out, I would like to.

I will never go over any day care beyond that.

But that's a thought if you want to work.

Go ahead.

I knew that you've got these fields.

I mean, your staff has worked out a whole lot of things.

But remember, go back over and look over some of the priceless species of crows who probably got two sticks in the back.

Of course, it has.

We'll put them out again.

Next thing I remember is the limit right before you go.

release it on the trip

Now is the time to fight the Congress.

Not while they were here.

Now is the time.

This Congress didn't come as a help.

It didn't make the best of it.

Don't ask for it.

Don't ask the Republican Congress for it.

Don't ask for re-election.

The Congress, the Senators of Congress, regardless of party, who supported these great calls.

But, uh,

All these ideas on the top of my head.

What I'm trying to get at is let's just have so much.

The characters say they are good.

They'll start saying that.

We have done so much.

We've done so much.

The idea is they use the welfare as a cop-out.

Because of that, we didn't do anything.

They ignored it.

And I'm also like that.

We know so many other things.

See, I took White step by step through the things and how you deliberated on them and what developed and so on.

And he said, why have I never heard of this?

Well, anyway, I think it's got to say that the Congress copped out on, they copped out on

I've been waiting to say that until we got out of town for a period of incentives.

That's right, that's right.

It says that the turn down of your spending limit shows

that some congressmen are AWOL, some senators are AWOL in the fight against higher taxes.

And others have been lured by the glitter of public works money.

So they can choose which one they are.

We've had some pretty fair reactions to the email message.

CBS ran a Who Shot John on welfare by sight.

Well, it's arguable.

It long came off as the villain in the piece.

If you saw the whole thing, I think the news summary was just a little bit off on that.

Oh, I know.

I know.

Sure.

Long was funny.

They interviewed him.

And he said, well, I hope I get time during this program to take a little credit for killing that.

There you go, bandit.

But you see, the idea of the whole theme, you've got to get through a theme.

First, you've got the progressive theme that's got to be got through.

And second, you want to get through the theme.

that our programs are responsible.

They are change that works, responsible change.

And our programs are change without tax increase, progress without tax increase.

We will not approve programs.

I'm not going to approve programs to help people who don't work.

by taxing people who really work more.

I think that's the thing.

Everybody gets the hidden message there.

And I think that's really the trademark of the whole thing.

Change does not require a tax increase.

Taxes should never increase the size of government or something like that.

I think the theme idea is very helpful because when you play off of a theme to every one of these, it'll really add something to it.

Right.

So we've got a theme that's being had.

Okay.

Give us some thought and then get the theme.

And then just keep coming back and do it every time you have your reviews.

You should go around and play off this theme.

Yep.

Good.

All right, sir.

All right.

We could do them enough, John, if we traveled around these last three weeks.

Choke them.

Yeah.

That's right.

Just choke them and stuff, you know.

Basically, it is so different from 1968.

Remember, we put out the box and arrested them on a day-to-day basis.

No, we're in.

We're in.

They know that this is policy.

It might become law.

Yeah.

And they talk about it.

Yeah.

And they do, right?

Yeah.

Oh, they sure do.

That statement we dropped in Atlanta reverberated all over the place, all through the South, about the, you know, economic resurgence of the New South and all that stuff.

And this prices and jobs... Well, we try and get a local focus when you go somewhere.

Because sometimes, even though the CPI around the country may be bad, in a particular locality, it's damn good.

And that was what we did out in Oakland.

is a hell of a fine CPI out there.

So we focused on that and we got a big rise in the California paper summary.

Right.

Everything we do you see helps.

I am certainly one of the least sanguine about, or the most sanguine about what the press says to us in the press.

I don't want the six-to-nine-to-one ratio of answers that we have in the Akron syndrome.

So if we cut it to three-to-one, that's all we're trying to do.

And you don't worry about the fact that every story has a big play.

You don't worry about the fact that they cast us here and there.

Why don't you just keep putting them there?

Well, that's it.

We don't have anything riding on any one story.

It's a big, broad thing.

I think we've got so much good we put out.

by Donald with an occupant credit report.

This is the football player, Gale Sayers.

He's a nice young guy and so forth.

He said, you know, I decided to do this.

He volunteered for Bob Brown.

He said, you've done a lot of things I didn't know about.

Yeah.

Very interesting.

That's the sales on Bob Brown's using.

And you notice that those heroes, they have nurses that are listening to them.

It occurred to me that it would be a chance for you, if Davis is anywhere near around, to have him in and just say, you know, give him a pat on the back and a little encouragement for the message that that sends.

That you haven't abandoned this guy and that you care about him as a person.

Now, I don't know whether it's feasible.

I haven't checked to see where he is or what he's doing or anything of that kind.

Sure, but let's put it out so that it's known that you've seen somebody picked on him and by and all he was defending him.

Yeah.

He got up and he said, listen, I'm a black man.

But he said, I got a right to support the people that I'm for.

And he talked right back to this crowd.

And it's in Chicago.

And so they quieted it down, and he went ahead and put out a show.

He didn't take any guilt from it at all.

This is a better crowd, of course, than Sherrod.

Sherrod Stokes.

Stokes.

Dave, isn't that a bunch?

Terrible little fontroid here.

Of course it's that.

Yeah, I think we need money.

Oh, you've got to like them.

That's the best argument against home rule I know.

is the fact that when this electorate went to the voting booth, they elected Fauntleroy.

Absolutely.

Well, we had a lot of good help on that this time, and we didn't get caught at it.

And Fauntleroy himself screwed it up some.

Krogh sang it.

He worked with Anchor Nelson and the boys, and they got rid of it.

McMillan's gone, but at the same time, Anchor Nelson knows how to play that game.

And he's our guy.

You know, it looks like... Oh, you bet.

You bet.

Well, let's put a lot of stuff together here.

We'll get a big portfolio full, and then we can decide where to put it out.

You can put some out here.

We can put it out on the road.

If we've got anything left over, we can leak it or leave it lying around for somebody to steal.

You know, there are all kinds of ways to get this stuff out.

Sure, sure.

We can put out a statement in your name, and they'll run it.

And it's all right, let it be.

We can just keep it up where it is.

But nevertheless, the main fight is in this field.

No reason to be losers, sir.

We've got a good case track of them.

Absolutely.

Your guys can have a lot of fun.

They can keep going back to crime and drugs.

They've got the issues.

The main thing is, it's not so likely to be, I think they have overstated it, the Congress arrest.

I would not like to be in the position of fighting

so much with anybody.

I would rather be in the building these last three weeks of sort of high road, and this is what we're for, and more in sorrow than in anger.

Do you know what I mean?

And the record should be, rather than walk that line, rather than get in a blank situation, I know that I've compromised everything.

I don't know if that's the right thing to do.

I think you can frame the issues like we did last time in a very personal kind of way.

What you do is fine.

Well, but what you say can be the issue in the water quality bill was do we have higher taxes or not?

Unfortunately, the Congress voted for higher taxes.

Yep.

And the singers.

Yep.

Well, see, we have personalized it.

I banged McGovern last night from here, which I haven't ever done before.

But it was a delicious opportunity to let go by.

Yeah.

It was the first time he's been in the Senate since Eagle Creek.

in the long curve back just about for higher taxes.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

Well, I know how much work could go into that dimension council and how many users we have.

Basically, either we have mitigated the losses to a certain extent or avoid them altogether.

And that's really the name of the game, the domestic game.

We hope to make the argument that we are doing some good things.

We will never give credit for it, because of the fact that the liver of Christ is not interested in the progress that we make.

And also because of the fact that it's totally irresponsible.

They really want to tear the goddamn system off.

They really do don't they?

You stop to think about it, with a hostile Congress,

as strongly influenced as they are by the press here.

The name of the game on the domestic side is pure defense.

You're defensing all the time.

You're trying to figure out how to screw it up, how to delay it, how to block it, you know, all that.

And every now and then, they've done a superb job.

Guys like Coral Ovis are up there until 3 o'clock in the morning and hacking away at this stuff.

It's mythical.

That's the greatest liberty body in the world anymore.

We've got a lot of trouble in this world.

I went up there last night and watched them.

And they debated the spending one thing.

Yes.

Just very sad, very sad.

And you know the house were out of order for 20 minutes.

The old hands on the hill were just all walking around shaking their heads last night.

There was no leadership.

No leadership.

Albert couldn't decide what to do.

He was down on the floor huddling with people.

Boggs wasn't there.

And the house was standing out of order.

And Ford was trying to get recognized to move to adjourn, sign, and die.

And Albert had left instructions with a pro tem not to recognize him.

And everybody was milling around.

It was a hell of a thing.

We are standing up in the water, we don't know if it's, if it's problems, but it's just well before the others got on this thing to know that you've got the courage to do it.

You've got to show some courage.

Who did they hurt, Chuck?

No, no.

So we have to...

The bank of London is not having to, you know.

But let us be in favor of the house.

Generally, the House has been very... Oh, much more responsible.

Much more responsible.

Does this happen to be one of those bills that got away from everybody?

Well, it's just got a lot of pork in it.

It's got a tremendous amount of pork in it.

And these guys can't withstand it.

We've had letters and wires from every mayor in the world, every county officer, you know.

And industry.

And even industry, right?

Because they think they have...

manage to soften what otherwise was going to be a very harsh bill.

It's carried.

It played very well on the morning television, though, as far as taxes and inflation are concerned.

Have we got that in?

I think you've got it.

Clean water tax.

We're going to have a clean water tax.

George is moving on that already.

He says, how about an excise tank on every bar of soap?

I said, God, that would kill Harlow.

He said, well, we've got to find something that everybody uses, everybody buys, and where it's somehow connected with water.

Well, I think it's the way to get back.

That's what I was thinking.

I just think that at 1% value, when it gets on the manufacturers, they're the worst looters.

I just say, call the manufacturers, excise tanks.

They're right there.

Well, of course, that ultimately...

I know, I know.

But it's hidden.

It's hidden.

Yeah.

Permit the seller to label it, this price contains a 1% clean water tax, like they do on the gas pumps.

It...

It must be done.

Oh, sure.

That would make a hell of an issue.

I am of mixed minds on this business of announcing that we're going to adhere to the $250 billion level prior to the election.

Oh, good, good.

I don't, I just don't.

Don't, don't, don't do that, no.

Because that'll, that'll scare your people.

Why don't we cut it?

How do we cut?

The thing to do on that is to say, well, it's a tough issue.

It's a tough issue.

What about higher taxes?

Well, that's the thing.

The reason I suggested that, I don't want us to have an angle where the people aren't getting taxed.

Well, I suggested the first instance, and the reason I did it is that we finally have a legal basis for it.

We think, once and for all, we can argue that you do have the inherent power to withhold and cut.

My point is...

My question is, are we going to be comprised of the back for the next three weeks?

We are going to have to be for higher taxes.

No, I got hit with that in here last night, and I said, look, what these two actions mean, the water thing and the spending thing, that the president now has no room for, no latitude for maneuvering.

It's going to have to be to everything that's over the budget.

And then, that's what I said last night, that this has taken away all of the latitude that he had.

They said, oh, what do you veto?

What do you veto?

And I said, well, just for example, labor for labor, HEW, is now $500 million over.

Congress has labored, and that's the best they can do.

It's not good enough.

So that's what they carried away with it.

But it seems to me that we could be putting out the story

that you are now getting the most diligent attention over the next three weeks to the problems of higher taxes created by these last acts of the Congress.

The Congress, on the one hand, refuses to have a spending limit.

On the other hand, exceeded the budget by $24 billion over three years.

We put that, for instance, this weekend.

What's the president doing at Camp David?

The president is studying this very good process.

Well, I said to his delegates to get two huge weekdays of the country day to China.

And he said, well, you go out with me, and you might have ten minutes to go up on the systems.

And there was the, as a matter of fact,

The time to do it is when I go up tomorrow.

So if I can't leave tomorrow, I'm going to go up.

I'll let us know about 4, so I'll say 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock.

We'll say, I'm going out to study the visa, and then we'll be there over the weekend.

Right.

So if there are 110 bills, and briefcases have those bills, and all those notebooks in them, then there are 110 bills.

And we're going to let them take an analog picture of you and Kevin.

All right.

How's that sound?

Fine.

And we're going to stop there to study.

I think maybe I have the wires in and background them on the inventory of bills, what they are,

Do you think the picture should be with me?

Or should it be on your desk?

Well, you know how we have it here.

When you deal with the China stuff and briefing books and all that, we could bring the bills in.

The stack of bills.

And a bunch of black notebooks.

Put them on the desk.

And this is now the president's workbook.

And you can say to the writing press, well, you can see how I'm going to be spending my weekend.

I'm taking this up and I'm going to be, I have 10 days now.

You have to look 26 on most of this.

I've got 26.

I think I'd rather have the Savior come back so that I don't have to pay.

Right, right.

You want a picture of it here, do you?

Yeah.

You could be in here.

Or you could do this.

You wouldn't even have to be in here.

Just let them come in and take a picture of the desk.

That's true.

That's better.

So it doesn't appear to be mine trying to promote it.

Here's a picture of the stuff that's going to be taken today.

How about that?

I think that's great.

We have a couple of big blank domestic council briefcases and all this stuff.

I'm not on the desk.

I think I'm not working.

Well, it could be done at a time when they know you're somewhere else.

if we've got another meeting in the cabinet room or someplace.

And Ron could say while the president's in there.

I'll talk to Ron about that.

All right.

I think that would be a big help in grammatizing.

Yep.

Very good.