{"conversationCode":"803-011","tapeNumber":803,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-803-011","startDateTime":"1972-10-18T16:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-18T16:04:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:02 PM","endDate":"18-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Timmons, William E.;","description":"On October 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:02 pm to 12:04 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 803-011 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 803-11\n\nDate: October 18, 1972\nTime: 12:02 pm -12:04 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with William E. Timmons.\n\n        Congress\n           -Forthcoming adjournment\n                -Invitation to Michael J. Mansfield, Margaret Chase Smith, Gerald R. Ford,\n           [Carl B. Albert]\n                    -Arrangements\n                    -Method of advising the President of adjournment\n                          -Precedent\n                    - [Thomas] Hale Boggs\n                          -Airplane crash\n\nTimmons left at 12:04 pm.","filename":["803-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"803-010","nextCode":"803-012","transcript":[{"start":0.61,"end":4.4,"text":"Bill, uh, you're still expecting service, right?"},{"start":4.44,"end":9.95,"text":"Well, you think it would be a nice stretch for you to survive on your own?"},{"start":15.9,"end":29.1,"text":"If they would like, they can do it either way."},{"start":29.12,"end":32.76,"text":"It's been done at times in person."},{"start":32.94,"end":34.55,"text":"Yes, sir, it has."},{"start":34.56,"end":37.31,"text":"Sometimes the president went up there."},{"start":37.67,"end":38.25,"text":"That's right."},{"start":39.27,"end":41.89,"text":"I didn't want to go up there, the way they took us around."},{"start":42.65,"end":48.15,"text":"But I think if they would like to come down for a cup of coffee or something like that tonight, I'll be here all afternoon."},{"start":49.09,"end":52.71,"text":"And for the department, or they can go by phone, whichever is better."},{"start":52.93,"end":64.19,"text":"You can call Mike and say it's something, it's his choice to get his version than the speaker."},{"start":64.61,"end":65.39,"text":"If they want to."},{"start":65.43,"end":66.93,"text":"The mailbox thing, that wasn't..."},{"start":69.33,"end":70.39,"text":"I don't think it would be."},{"start":70.43,"end":72.08,"text":"I look at your answer sheet."},{"start":72.1,"end":76.84,"text":"Now, the fact that Hale, you know, he's not here, I don't know what happened to him."},{"start":76.86,"end":78.28,"text":"I just think it's a public matter."},{"start":78.3,"end":79.86,"text":"You might talk about that, gentlemen."},{"start":80.04,"end":82.21,"text":"Well, if they come down, I didn't express myself."},{"start":82.31,"end":82.87,"text":"But they come."},{"start":83.95,"end":88.53,"text":"I'd say you're a diligent person."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and William E. Timmons discussed logistical arrangements for the upcoming congressional adjournment, specifically regarding how legislative leadership would formally notify the President. They reviewed historical precedents for this notification process, weighing options such as a personal visit to the White House or a telephone call from key leaders like Mike Mansfield. The conversation also briefly touched upon the status of Hale Boggs following his recent airplane disappearance, with Nixon suggesting this should be treated as a matter of public concern.","topics":["Congressional adjournment","Legislative relations","Presidential protocol","Hale Boggs","Mike Mansfield"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:07:14.746Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-adjournment","legislative-relations","presidential-protocol","hale-boggs","mike-mansfield"],"audioDurationSec":91,"audioFiles":[{"file":"803-011.mp3","bytes":2196792,"durationSec":91.48,"bitrate":192111,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.477Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/803-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/803-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/803/conversation-803-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}