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I met a little while ago.

I met in the Roseville room.

Oh, yes.

It was 30 minutes.

Yeah, I knew that.

It was there all the way.

Did you tell us about the fact that I met with the web service?

Did I meet with them?

I met with the other day in the Roseville room.

Yes, sir.

I met with them 30 minutes.

Yes, sir.

I know the idea on this.

Yeah, this work.

It's a smaller group of them.

I just don't want to do that because I cover them and I don't want to be too much involved in that stuff.

All right.

Before you go to New York on Monday, see Bob Lilly, defensive linebacker, Dallas Cowboys.

No, I think it's a mistake to have any more football.

So then that's about as far as I can go.

You shouldn't have these things on top of our computers.

You should have a nice letter.

Baseball is the same.

No more hat letters.

You've fouled the election.

Meeting with maritime labor leaders.

This might be over during the labor day, too.

October 24th, Tuesday.

In the Capitol.

Thank the labor leaders and their unions for their cooperation and assistance in consummating the maritime agreement.

Yes, that should be up.

Absolutely.

No.

No, absolutely not.

No, I will not deal with that.

That's an amendment signed.

No.

Well, I'm opposed to it, period.

They don't seem to suggest that somebody could bring in nine business types.

No.

No business types.

They're now a collection.

Business types are who they are.

That's how it is.

Okay.

Last one.

Are they catching up with editors and publishers?

No.

Editors and publishers.

It's too late to be in the editors and publishers.

I agree.

The reason that's great is, is, uh, while it's not all that close,

making a strong pitch that it be considered playing with them also.

But on the basis that we haven't scored as heavily as we should in that whole ethnic thing, and that it's a device, really, as a way to hit the ethnic thing.

I'm opposed to it because I think it's too late.

I did not say it's too late.

That's what it is.

It is too late.

And their reason also, I don't think it's going to be what it is.

I think that's right.

Their reason is not that the result won't accomplish anything.

We're down to the point where that kind of stuff, you know, it's too late.

It's too late, it's too late.

I heard my editors the other day was for the birds, because they had all, it was nice, nice for them, and I enjoyed it, but the point is that they've all, they've already made up their mind in a story, like, oh yeah, hell's parents.

You're not going to change it.

Incidentally, I turned down our comics convention sign, because we cannot go too far

and patient things that I've done 18 times and doing it again.

I've covered that business.

I've done that.

I've made statements.

I've had meetings in the drug room.

I've covered it again.

And I signed that damn thing.

I just haven't done it.

I've got to sign it anyway.

So I put it out.

I put it out.

There's nothing to it else.

In fact, you can overdo it.

That's why I'm not going to overdo it.

It's crazy.

It's a little weird, you know.

If you do too many, then we can do a big one.

And I've got to pay attention to it.

I'd rather have, I'd rather have, get paid.

You see what I mean, Bob?

Yeah.

It's like a, you know what it is?

What you've got to do is probably the same for you, but that sort of thing.

That we apply to big rounds or motorcades.

People say, Jesus, what's the amount of work we could watch you do every day?

Because every day it wouldn't be worth a damn.

And the same is true of this.

It brings.

You can go too far and

A jackass snake that we've already announced.

There's nothing to it.

He did it.

Two days ago, too.

Covered in the crime scene.

Jesus Christ.

It's overdue.

He probably did get a salt treatment and signed three times.

It's all right.

It was a good narcotic time.

I didn't treat him.

I've had narcotics for a number of years.

About his oncology type operation thing, were you able to nail it down?

No, they had talked, and he walked around, and he said, well, he had one plan.

He was going to park some trucks at the county next to dinner, bring his truck for the money in a Mexican truck or something.

a hundred dollars would cost him at the truck stop but uh he just he's probably right no he's not he's not a judge that's right but uh right I wouldn't spend much on the possibility the uh I don't know if you've talked to Chuck but I I made a pitch to him on on uh

He said he don't need the four days of banking around.

If he's going to do something one day, that'll be particularly good.

He used to do...

in Michigan instead of going up all the way, because we've got a very good water in Muskegon, and it seems to be a good counter for the water level.

I agree with you on all that.

Coast makes exactly the opposite.

You don't want to count it down.

So you're either for lower taxes or you're for clean water, but not both.

Coast is totally right.

I will not vote for other reasons.

I'm not going to do that.

Perfect.

Overcompensating the water.

We can't do it.

We've got to go one way or the other, Bob.

I trust you.

Trust you.

Also, he said, I don't care how many times he goes out into the country.

Nobody's going to care.

No.

He said, no, they can't.

Trust you.

Also, he said, I don't care how many times he goes out into the country.

Nobody's going to care.

No.

He said, no, Jackson, you can't have four days.

Okay, but what he says is, instead of doing what you're talking about, helicoptering around and having people cheering and all that, if he would go somewhere and talk to somebody in a serious speech in a prestigious form,

so that the television is a low-key voice in a red speech that is present.

And he said, that's fine.

Serious subject, dull, and all that.

Prestige Mormon, prestige setting, avoiding crowd scenes and rallies.

But he said, it's still better than that is to stay in the White House.

And he makes the point that it doesn't matter.

And we all agree, for instance, that he shouldn't go into Boston, because the only way he can lose Massachusetts is to go in there.

Well, now let's start with what we can do.

There's no problem on Kentucky.

doing that at the tail end of the Chicago, Ohio, you screw that thing up again.

It doesn't matter.

I wouldn't do that, because I think that can have an effect on our own people if we did something.

But I think you are concerned about the middle of the week.

If you agree that you should go into Massachusetts, because that's the way you can stir up the animals.

It doesn't matter where you go.

What matters is what the people see on TV that you did that day.

And the people in Boston seeing you at a rally in Wisconsin is just as bad as the people in Boston seeing you at a rally in Boston.

Yeah, his argument is that the only thing you can accomplish now is that they will play up the McGovern-Skeeton momentum, which they tried to take a stab at.

They can't play that, so they're baiting Trump.

So, you come out, then they say, McGovern has finally succeeded in smoking Nixon out and forcing him to compete on McGovern's ground.

And Pat's convinced the press will play that beat as hard as they can.

Now, they'll do it one day as he walks out of the Senate, of course.

But we've already announced it.

Sure.

We've got to do that.

No, but it's a question.

That's only one shot, which we've been doing all along.

Pat, are you the only way that the press can say that McGovern has turned the corner or that it accomplished anything?

Is it they can show that he forced Nixon out?

There he is.

And then he goes back to it would be good to have a low-key speech to any prestigious group, but he should not be campaigning.

Mr. Rick Santel, if you could give a say to the future farmers, it would be good.

If you could give a say to the JC's, it would be bad.

If I had to bring COVID to those, they're going to make a low-key speech.

Why don't you work for a prestigious group that's not an absolute charity?

So that you're out in the country.

So to answer the rain, and to the company, and the earth, that would answer what they're all out there.

And they want us to be in the country.

Yeah.

We can do it from here.

That's alright.

I don't think it makes any sense.

I don't think that makes any sense.

I think that my view is that... Well, Chuck gave me that helicopter.

He said he was going to take the helicopter.

Oh, that's what he says.

You're out there jumping around in a helicopter, frantically, you know, rattling around.

And McGovern made the crack a while back that, you know, if anyone ever comes here, he may drop out of the sky in his helicopter.

I don't think we should react to the stories.

I don't want to distract them.

I don't want to think that nobody is interested.

Well, how about doing this?

How about doing the national television next week?

And losing credit and all that.

And doing two national televisions.

Do that.

See my point?

Yeah.

I don't believe that going out to the prestigious forums with the show.

I've done these prestigious forums.

And they're just not until I've got the recruitment.

He's making the point that there are innumerable opportunities for presidential-type appearances out in the country, that that's what he thinks that Muskegon water fight would be or something like that.

And as Chuck says, when he's pushed for what, he can't name a single specific.

So I said to Chuck, well, you're arguing that the president should be doing things in the White House and not the House.

So let me press you for specifics.

And if you come up first, maybe you can win over the argument.

So he said, OK, let me take a step.

Number one, on Tuesday, the first day you're worried about, have a cabinet meeting and have it run for a couple hours on spending and the budget for next year.

And then have the president go out to the press room afterwards and announce that

You left me right there.

Stop going to the press room.

You can't go to the press room without answering questions.

You know that.

So let's stop.

I'm going to propose to Congress a new line of press.

I'm going to go out to the press room.

I can't go to the press room without answering questions.

Wednesday, you have a meeting of the Cost of Living Council and the Price Commission.

Lay down guidelines for holding the line on prices and that sort of thing.

And let the TV come in and film it while you're in there.

Yeah, I don't get a little footage of the conversation.

Then Thursday, you call in the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Chiefs, and the Service Secretaries for a long meeting on defense budget for the coming year and have a brief afterwards on it.

That's why I don't ask for protection and things like that.

It's not good on the men's part.

I agree with those things.

I think that is so goddamn phony to be unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

It's not unbelievable.

I've met with the cost of living council.

I've met with the price commission.

I've met with the pay board just last week.

And having a man on that circuit is just plain bullshit.

Don't do it.

Then he wants you to have one Ann Richardson in for the charge on a new welfare proposal.

It'll be the first order of business at the next Congress.

No, no, that, Jesus Christ, you know what, that puts you in, that puts you in a positive role for everything.

I mean, anybody has a liberal role.

It can't be a thing on how you take, cut the welfare rules.

And then on the side, next Tuesday, also, no, Wednesday, you,

Take all the veterans legislation that's piled up here and you sign it all at once in a ceremony where you have 200 young Vietnam veterans come in, like the Young Labor Group president.

And that's about it.

I do think, I do think that my suggestion of Kentucky is not, I think it's a very good suggestion, but I think that at the end of the day, going to Ohio, stopping Kentucky, and in fact, does that bother you at all?

No.

That doesn't bother me at all, because it'll be, it'll be breaking the bias tremendously and tremendously

There won't be much coverage.

I want this to get back to the Mitchells and the migrators and the dominants.

That's what we're talking about here.

That's fine.

I think you should call to see what he thinks.

I don't want to go in unless... Well, I don't care.

It doesn't really have to be West Virginia.

Why shouldn't it be?

It's worth a try.

I'm trying to say that we may have an overriding argument, or not going to have, but we've got to check first and see whether the plane can get in there.

See?

Check.

The plane can get in there.

See, could be a good one.

I'm sure it'll be in about the middle of the next roof.

We haven't gotten anything.

that you're checking any news, and Christians, and Pats, and everybody's scared to go to sleep there.

I mean, if they can't find you, then I don't know what to do.

Going to the doctor would appeal to them or something, but not to make an asshole speech about this idea of reading a serious speech to a distinguished audience.

This is great bullshit.

I can hear you, Bob.

That's, that's, that, that, you know who that appeals to?

John Oscar.

You decided to take one again.

Believe me, Mike, we have the format for serious speeches.

It's a radio speech.

It's a radio speech, believe me.

No serious ones.

No daily.

None of that crap.

It doesn't work anymore.

That is the old goddamn thing.

I think that's absolutely right.

I'm trying to make the other argument, but using my argument, I'm sure that I don't accept that.

I just suppose I don't enjoy the economics of being free, and that's the way it is.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Except that it shows the presence of Detroit, but it doesn't mean he's not campaigning.

I think Chuck's wrong.

I think if you go out in the country in the last few weeks of an election, you have to go out and campaign.

You have to be campaigning on the phone.

When I take the essay, I try to think of events.

I have to think about what part of me cannot set up phony events, non-political events, that are dedicated to the cause in the last two weeks of the election campaign.

If you can't do that, if you can't say everything's actually good, the candidate does not have judgment.

He's actually eager.

He has to agree.

thinking about what the press is going to do.

But this, we're not talking about that.

The press is not as true as people think.

What I'm trying to do is to put one thing to the bill that week so that it isn't a case that isn't quite that good.

Not quite.

Just that's all.

No more.

Can't be answered here.

That would have been all right.

No, I don't even want that.

Well, lacking, at least if you were to pick one place to go out and thank campaign parents, what the hell would you do?

You don't want to have a press conference all day.

That's another thing that fits into it.

I don't think he should do that Chicago thing.

I don't think he should do any press release before the end of the campaign.

And I don't think it's a need.

There is a need.

And as we were looking at that yesterday, we ought not to do the Chicago thing.

A couple of years ago we did it before, but we'll go there for a regional meeting and I'll speak to them and that's it.

Hit Denver.

Stay overnight.

Hit Denver the next morning.

Or go to the hit Denver meeting.

Rather than wait after.

I wouldn't mind if there is an excellent group.

Excellent group of people.

The National Secretary of Social Security.

Yeah, very close.

I'm trying to drop by Chicago.

I've just got to, you know, discreetly put a few non-political words, if there is.

You understand?

So that's that.

I need a section.

I don't like it.

It's funny, everybody's dressed in things, and you're sitting around here.

It can't be just something for the birds.

The other factories, most of them are out campaigning, and I go, that hasn't got Jesus, that's for the birds.

And I look back and think, now, I'm just as few as I've ever been, and therefore, I'm excited.

You know, I'm sure it's going to work.

How many birds do you have?

Not really.

We'll read it.

I don't think we'll get any of it.

I'm trying to get something that you don't need very much.

It's just to make the point that you're here working at your desk.

It's just disbelief.

Nobody's going to believe me.

Well, that's what you hear.

You don't have to dedicate the machine a lot of time.

Or expect it.

Really.

That's what we do.

Yeah.

All of those veterans were signing that bridge.

Well then why the hell not campaign to the helicopter?

Do something different.

Get a little attention for campaign.

Well the other way is to go out and just do a rally.

You do a night rally.

Go out and give the same speech you give at NASA.

That's the other thing that he and a lot of people are arguing for, is to really knock them off their, this is, again, another, off their stool on the Nassau thing, which is to, instead of giving a rally speech, to go read a serious speech at the Nassau rally, so that you don't set up the thing of, we've gotten into a campaign.

Is that what you think?

No, sir.

That's what they need.

I think you've got to.

I can't go out there.

They want you to read a thoughtful speech about something.

Tax policy or something.

No.

I'm not going to do it.

That's another view, though.

I don't know.

It doesn't fit me.

I don't know where the breaking point is.

I do know that any overt sign of intensive campaigning will be interpreted as being smoked out and galvanized the opposition.

Then he picks up the Findlinger thing.

A lot of Democrats are going to sit this out.

They can't take the government that they can't run, so let's vote for them.

The key issue is, and he doesn't have the answer, by going on the hustings, do we bring these people out?

And if so, in the final analysis, how will they vote?

Our people will vote no matter what we do.

Intensive campaigning will create excitement for adult campaign.

Our people will vote as they always do.

The question is what happens to the 50% of the Democrats when they're not for Nixon, for McGovern.

In my view, intensive campaigning will rejuvenate the McGovern candidate, bring us head to head with him on the networks every night, energize partisan democratic loyalties, remind millions of people of candidate Nixon instead of president Nixon.

I understand that.

That will turn the landslide into a horse race.

You're off on the last.

You're off.

You see that?

The picture of the president, the point I tried to make yesterday, is what bothers me.

The picture of the president as a campaigner

can be readily established in place of the picture of the president as president.

If they see very often the president is campaigned on.

Very often, I agree.

You think it's going to be free, but actually it's too often.

Every week.

Yeah, I don't think it is.

I don't think it is.

The helicopters are going to have three to follow them.

We're going to have three to follow them and two.

I know, but only three.

The value of the helicopter is it gets you out of motorcades.

I just hate to see any more motorcades.

Right.

It's a dirty college, but I'm going to have one in Ohio, one in Westchester, one in Chicago.

I've already had one in Atlanta.

That was good.

I think we've got a good plan for motorcades, but I think...

I don't know, maybe another one doesn't hurt a bit.

Maybe it does.

The point I agree with is the thing he said, let the media bitch like hell if we're hiding in the White House.

We can build presidential events here in Canada.

Go out on the Huskies just often enough they can't beat the case thick.

Our original plan of Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Ohio, Denver, and LA covers the country.

This interspersed with radio speeches and a last-minute nationwide appeal to the people to vote on TV.

Now, that doesn't include the national television thing a week earlier, which is one more shot.

He says, maybe you should ask the president to watch the Conley speech again.

The Conley speech frames the issue of this campaign brilliantly and talks about the bipartisan presidential election.

Let me suggest something.

Rather than going out,

One fellow ran into me the following week and said, I think I need to do one action so that they should give me prices, control prices.

And I think that's all you should do.

I don't think you should do that.

Now, the other thing, I can see kind of another way to do this.

We can build up a fence without saying, I mean, the cash and all that sort of thing.

Simply just say, I mean, you know what I can do.

I can say, I am here, you know, whatever.

Think about all these bills and so forth.

We can get a lot of that.

That is what we're going to have to do.

We've got a week in the station without doing anything about it.

Just have a meeting with three people about a particular bill and then act on it.

Then meet with seven other people about it.

That's the 26th.

That's the 28th.

It's all next week.

It's the 26th.

That's the last day.

Whatever they're passing at won't be them.

Chuck sums up.

He says, bear in mind what you're dealing with.

McGregor, like every campaign manager in history, is under pressure from the partisans in the vineyards.

Conley blows hot and cold, which is right.

Last week, he told me we were doing exactly right keeping the president in the White House.

I'm using surrogates.

Mitchell's been listening to the partisans early when I can't explain.

I can only say when you have a game plan that's working and you're way ahead, it's enough to throw it away when I take the risk.

Everybody's getting this really overstating of it.

Sure they are.

They're trying to put it in our books.

That's going to get close.

It's going to get close.

You know, this is really such an injury.

I don't get that excited about it.

I don't agree with you.

I'm not perfectly willing to go out and do a little.

I don't think there's any problem in doing that, for example.

Or do you?

Maybe not.

There is something to that.

No, I don't think so.

Is that as far as you're concerned?

Yeah.

I have reasons I don't want to.

They don't know what our goal is.

You do.

Both more than me.

I don't think so.

Also, did you see?

They didn't understand.

I can't be out bragging all the time about the great things he had accomplished, this marvelous land of the Soviets that I had to create, march on.

You see what I mean?

It's just not my nature.

It's a good bird.

Build it.

Build it, do it.

But he can do it better than I can.

Because if I go about it, I cannot go out bragging about it.

Did you see?

It's been complicated very good.

When he's about to go out to campaign, I'm sure he's going to feel happy about doing it.

He's absolutely right.

This, I just know is the right thing to do.

I can't get out and stand about this deal.

I want that to happen.

I know that I'll get on top of it.

Well, that's all right.

This is the way.

I think he's dead.

I think we came far more.

What were the points that you made and the way you made them?

And that one had enormous radio buttons because it was early in the day and it ran on radio all day.

A lot of people when they talk about being presidential want to remember this.

You can overdo the gimmicks.

Colson doesn't understand this.

Planting, of course, wouldn't understand it because he's not, not that, but Colson, they, they didn't even get to go out there.

They want to be able to go out there and sign, and sign, and do, and say, and say, it goes to the park.

There's got to be a little experience in the garden.

That's why it won't have a national park.

This is going to work.

I really wrote that down a lot, too.

Well, let's look at it also.

I was going to say, you've got to, you've got to, because it's your story, no matter what happens.

But that's all over.

Unless it works, it's all over by the end of the weekend.

It comes back Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

I'm afraid they're right.

I think we've got to do something.

Unless you just say you're grinding out bills and make no bones about it, which we have enough to now.

Make sure Congress and Sessions have been excused.

I don't think that's an excuse that's made any difference.

The argument, because Congress is out, you can now go out and campaign, is one that we understand that people don't.

Especially if we point out how many times...

In fact, one other thing, because everybody would want to fill the schedule with assholes.

Announcing that I don't even care for you.

For me to send you a board across the league also means... That means the jailer is fine.

That there's not been any issues.

It doesn't make that much difference if he's a person of interest.

In the last two weeks, they're going to watch and believe it.

It's got to be a presidential meeting of very great significance.

Or an announcement.

Or it's like you can't make it.

Otherwise, you can't keep them on the watch.

Now, that's the point.

Do you want to agree with him?

Yeah, I do.

I think Chuck's view is that you try to argue this point from the top.

See, build-it-ups mean a great thing to everything.

In other words, the cabinet thinks you lost the spending suit.

So you call these people together and lay out the plan for going for a new spending suit.

Make a big thing out of it.

And I go to the president.

I can't go to the president without answering questions.

I go to the answer questions without spending suits.

I don't do that either.

Yes.

I don't think that one thing I haven't done is I should not expose myself to any Q&A sessions.

Go the other way.

We issue a statement after the cabinet meeting.

Someone else leaves, but you cut a 90-second tape saying, we met with my cabinet today.

We reviewed the situation, and we are going to, we are directed them to prepare for offering the next congressman.

I don't know if this is news type thing, but the spending ceiling is imperative.

This congressman's closing hours fail to pass on.

I intend, as my first order of business to the new congressman,

Because I'm determined there will be no tax increase to this country in the next year, next four years.

I want you to release the recent press conference.

That's right.

I know that everybody wants to do it because they say we always do so in the press conference.

They haven't prevented the press conference from about three weeks of campaigning.

I haven't.

That's a statement.

It is a statement.

These guys are the press.

They're all out of time.

They're traveling now a little bit.

You might get some of these now, but mainly what you're going to get is Dunst, the guy, and...

Okay, sure.

Dwight Chapin, and he's done some terrible activities.

Right.

And whatever he said the subject was, you'd say, I don't know anything to that.

And they'd say, well, now I refuse to answer questions.

And that would be a story.

It's not what I answered.

That's right.

I mean, it's an argument.

It's damn stupid.

Just like Roy McGregor did.

Everybody thought it was the right thing for him to get that statement on television with the press.

He shouldn't have done it before the press.

The press blew because he didn't answer questions, and that's the story.

Gregor refused to answer questions.

It isn't the biggest story he's gotten in our lives.

Oh, no.

I mean, I saw it in the story.

He didn't give a thought.

I thought, sure, he was right.

And he got his statement out.

The Washington Post reprinted his statement in full because he knocked the shit out of them, and then they ran a huge editorial answering it, which, in my view, doesn't hurt us a bit.

Right.

Well, I'm trying to be fair

Well, except that I'm not trying to be fair to all these points of views, but I know, I know that chemistry will not work.

I just know that the deal with everything is not a chemistry.

That's right.

It happened to me in an opportunity with Ray Grist.

He cannot, and that's what hurt us.

It hurt that they should go out and fart in the wind, and that that's going to make change news.

And so, therefore, that's what made me go on about that.

Well, and quotes aren't useless.

Yesterday, you had a good day, you know, you got, Gerald made the point that you did this and did that, and I said, yeah, Gerald did, but what did you find out on CBS and NBC?

He said, well, ladies and gentlemen, that's exactly the point.

And it wasn't worth hearing.

No, it wasn't.

It was the kind of thing he was talking about.

It was, you know, he had those sorts of meetings, and I don't know why Gerald did it, to try and make a story out of it.

That's where you can only run once or four at a time.

You can't run it every night.

I think you've got to do something on Wednesday.

No, that's the judge's decision.

That's the judge when I called him.

I am not too certain about it.

But the other possibility is to move the night home television up in there.

Well, then you have to worry about it.

I apologize to you.

the last week.

Colson makes another case, which he says they're up and satisfied with one day next week now.

But as soon as you've done that, he's going to be back cooking for you.

You've got to do two days the following week.

And he's right.

This is a pressure level that builds the closer you get to the election day.

Because then they're going to say you ought to end up stopping in Oklahoma on the way to Denver.

Then you ought to swing up to Seattle on the way to Los Angeles.

That, that I thoroughly decide to amend.

I know how tough this section of this is.

There'd be no response of any kind, whatever, if we had continued that way.

You don't have to, what you have to prove is that you don't spend all your time campaigning.

You don't have to prove that you do.

Also, the other thing that will almost totally hinder the fact that I am going to campaign

What are the actors going to be writing?

What are they going to be saying?

There's more than anything.

But we're not doing anything.

I guess we have to figure out if we ought to find something to do on Wednesday or Thursday.

What's your thought on Thursday?

On Wednesday.

Wednesday.

If you want to do something, let's look at the branch now.

What's the purpose of solely to do it, to have done it?

Not because we think we can get any good out of it, score any points or win any votes or help anybody else win any votes.

That's the case that we can look for

That's the opportunity we can find.

Probably.

I was going to say, I think you've got to get it on television.

You need to have it covered.

If it's worth building.

So it probably should be in this tape someplace.

And the best thing to do is .

You've just done another gig.

You're just going to be doing another gig in a different country.

That's how Rowley isn't going to get much television today.

It just means you're not going to have any Rowley television.

Maybe the thing to do is do a Rowley.

One Rowley at Dune in the arena in St. Louis or something.

I'm going back to Kentucky then.

And then I'm going back to the south.

But that is the south.

That's right.

If you want to know, it's our shop.

They have a little shop out in Kentucky where the Republicans are.

In the last presidential elections, all of us have won.

64, 60, 68.

What did we just win in arms?

New York, Kentucky, back up to Ohio, no problem.

No problem at all.

We could have just had a mid-rally in Kentucky, and go out.

We could have done that, come back home.

And why not those?

They may not have an adequate place to go down in Kentucky.

I don't know.

Thank you.

He calls in all the time anyway.

Dwight talks to him all the time.

So you can just say, if we could work something out, what could we do in there?

Why don't you go out and do something about that?

I'm going to throw it up as a possibility.

I've got every suggestion on where else you can go.

Can I move back?

Yes, sir.

What are you doing?

You just said New York.

That's amazing.

You just said New Jersey.

I will not go there.

Carol?

No, never.

Virginia?

No.

What's Virginia?

I think it's Ohio.

Indiana?

I don't know either.

Tennessee?

No, never.

North Carolina?

That's about it.

If you draw a circle, Missouri would be as far west as you can go.

Missouri.

You should go deep now.

The helicopter end up sending people off.

I think it's just a little bit of a country to God's end, frankly.

And also, I don't think it's going to work.

You know what I mean?

I think it's different.

Well, it's different, but I guess our objective is not to get attention from the two other guys.

But the same is related.

Happening.

I thought he had suggested I go to Wilson's birthplace before all this.

Was he one of the jurors?

I forget.

That was one of the jurors.

No, he was governor of the jurors.

Yeah, no.

Well, going out to Virginia, Virginia is a

the turncoat situation, the new majority.

It's close, so you can justify, you know, for an out-and-back thing that it was nearby.

It was by helicopter.

See, that's another thing.

Jack Marks.

Jack Marks was the one

I was following Connelly's speech and I was kind of hit.

That was an idea that we were going to use on the part of the comedy speech promotion, which is to set up a national sales meeting.

It would be a national campaign meeting of all of our campaign organizations across the entire country.

And the way you run it by one network television, it would cost virtually nothing.

Go on.

Part of the very common truth is what's got to be done in the last two weeks.

And then you run a comedy television thing.

There are truths.

That's 6 o'clock in the morning.

You get the wires set ahead.

I bet everybody's doing it in the national campaign.

Why do they do that?

Oh, they're speeches on TV.

That's right, Wayne.

Oh, they're speeches on TV.

That's right, Wayne.

That's what they're trying to do.

And then that gets cranked up to build the audience with it.

And it also gets the thing on the air front, you know, it exposes some people to start talking to other people at the show.

The problem is, you can't question whether you let the press know ahead of time what's in the stage.

The problem is, if you're putting on an executive speech or whatever, that's bad.

anyone who will pretend to call attention to us.

The other thing is not to let it out, but to make the point, to let out, leak out the fact that he, he's here to speak to Jackson and Hubert Humphrey, which will get the government people very cracked up by demanding that Humphrey and Jackson disavow anything that they didn't want to do, something that could be a controversy.

It didn't work, or it didn't even work.

No, that's not, you can have it about today.

I'm trying to think of something different now that I put it out there.

It's a gimmick, but it's a gimmick with a purpose.

You can read it, read the speech.

So you've got the foreign policy species that we're in.

I know you can say, well, I'm going to talk about Vietnam and everybody else, but I don't know about everything else.

You've talked about Vietnam.

I said I think you can.

You've talked about it again.

They sent you an all-purpose POW bracelet for all POWs and MIAs, and asked you to wear it.

There are some people who think you should, and others who think you should not.

I just can't figure out about anything to do.

You're right.

Well, that's the problem.

I don't know.

Right.

40-40.

Why do we have 30?

Definitely got that.

I mean, the others will say...

I'll tell you, if you go at the end of Ohio, there's no problem.

That's right.

No question about that.

I agree.

If you study the trip, there is a problem.

So I think if you go at the end of Ohio, we were there.

We just packed it on there.

So we have to pack it in those...

New England.

Huh?

New England.

You don't like it?

No.

Do you?

She's got nothing to do up there.

Why would you go to Vermont when they have your name?

You can't go to Massachusetts.

And you can't go to England without going to Massachusetts.

That's my article point.

Well, actually, our best thing is that

Is there a city out there that you can have a name for?

Where?

Michigan?

No, Duluth Superior.

Superior is Wisconsin.

Yeah, that ties Wisconsin.

Michigan, Minnesota.

I mean, Michigan, Wisconsin.

That's better.

If you've got anything, you should land it here.

I heard about the person.

You can go to Alameda, Michigan.

I'm facing the city at 6 a.m. We're on the city.

We'll be right back.

They may come up with something, too, with poking all the stuff that's coming along.

They may find something that's a good deal.

The television, I think, is good on Monday.

I guess that's a good deal.

Or if you choose to do it today.

Monday.

And then go out Thursday.

I didn't see it.

Well, I'll go in.

Yeah, that's right.

I think it stopped.

I know we're not doing an audience, but we don't get that.

Oh, yeah, I think you did.

That's one of the measures.

Yeah, I did.

How about doing it?

radio one day and then a television.

Yeah.

So you're going to have to do a radio with me.

I've got that announced.

Stand well and stand.

We don't give a shit about whatever goes on.

I think that's everything that's on our problem.

Well, in the middle of next week, also, during this time that's so low, is the time we should announce the wrap-up.

We're going to have to announce it anyway.

I would announce 30, but I might announce all three together.

I'm glad you're getting that.

I'm out of the states meeting.

Why not?

I don't know.

Yeah, we don't have one going now. .

I, I, I don't think any of the people in there have ever been in a situation like this.

I'd like to take a quick hint, but at the end of the day, this is actually pretty, uh, you know, Gregor's been, he's been a real break, he's honest.

So, I think he has a lot of the feeling, when you look at him, you know, that he's never certainly been reactive.

He shouldn't be that much of an open comment.

I don't know.

And, and of course, the moment you say that, Bob, and we're thinking for all people, you know, that's the problem, right?

I think though, as I analyze it, as I analyze stuff, when you think of what you're going to fill up with here, there isn't enough.

I mean, that kind of garbage you're talking about is just half the cost of the accounts, half the cost of the check.

It's not the washing that will not wash.

The amount of washing.

I know that everyone .

Right here on the ground.

And at this stage, we're going to walk in.

At this stage, we're going to walk in.

And I think that we're going to walk out.

We're going to walk out.

I see a lot of them anyway.

I don't know if that's bad.

I think it's bad.

I think the less of it you get, the better off you are.

You've got to get some of it.

The opportunity isn't so bad.

When we're having 12 to 1 rally, there's another guy.

And the rally won't be on TV.

Well, Denver, of course, will be.

Yeah.

That would be very brief.

I'm not a breezy speaker, you won't speak because I'm in a freezer on TV.

Well, maybe it was better off if you didn't want to get in there.

Stay inside.

You want to do that?

Why?

Why is she outside?

I don't know.

She's in the freezer there.

It's going to be another galactic motorcade to Denver after Chicago.

I'll get you one.

Well, let's have a meeting there.

You know, in a sense, you say we want to do what we want on that stage.

If we do something, we want it on TV.

I suppose one reason for that is that that gives us hard two minutes on TV and theirs.

But the question is whether our game on TV is a good thing or not.

The other is that you could do it here.

So they run the game and they put the government

But they would have to run with that.

Well, tonight the president will be speaking at a rally and so on and so forth, right?

Which is better?

Do they have to be speaking at a rally and then they're announcing that they're going to do it at night?

You see, the message of the conference is not done.

If you want to avoid the rally speech, hell, why not?

Why not do it at night?

Because then you don't get you on television.

You just get the tape.

I understand that totally.

Your point is that being on television is a bad thing.

And if you're going to do that, that's where the shit goes off.

No, no, no, no.

The purpose of it is to tell the clients that are out here that we're doing something.

So they won't have to see the thing.

And that makes my objection of saying, having to say he hasn't done the damn thing all week.

I didn't want them to do something.

I don't put around anything.

It's like the radio stuff.

What I'm getting at is, it's like putting an asshole out at night.

We've got a rally.

And what you have to do is give a radio speech here at noon, and then go out someplace.

So they have to say, in the radio address that they made today, the president said, in fact, we can't speak to the rally tonight at 12 o'clock.

I was thinking you could handle it.

If you wanted to, you could do it.

Can you really, what do you think about Kentucky?

Can you worry about what, not the rest of them, I mean, the other kind of thing, can you do none or not, or should we go on over to Springfield, Missouri, in other words?

We've got 30,000, 40,000 people like that on hand.

I did nothing more than try to get close to him.

I think so, too.

I just say to him, you're out campaigning for one of your Senate candidates.

You couldn't do all of them, but you wanted to do one of your old friends who's running the

We can't go to all of them.

So they're going to be mad when they get here.

If we don't do anything, why are they going to get out of here?

They're going to consult their agents.

They're going to worry.

If they're going to be happy, I'm not going to lie to them, if they're out, they're going to be unhappy.

Right?

Whether you came or not.

I guess I would think that sounds pretty good to me.

Did it do it for nothing?

Did it at all?

It's a place to stay.

If you don't go to Louisville, if you don't go to Louisville, if you don't go to Lexington or the best place, Lexington, I'm not sure, but the best place is in Asia, Kentucky, right there.

If there's an airport there, go there.

It's easier.

People travel.

Try it.

We cannot miss the key.

I'm trying that.

And to think of a Kentucky West, if you think of a Kentucky West, you get one of the chances to speak.

I'm making a speech on Appalachian.

I'm going to make a speech around the state on Appalachian.

I'll go over anywhere and get one ready.

If you do something in Appalachian, if you're going to go to the heart of that area.

And you're right, it's about to go high.

It's going to go high.

Why?

Yeah.

Why?

And I think Perry, the next night, the other morning, he was over at something, and I was like, I'm not watching.

But I was like, you know what I mean?

Yep.

I think the night was a little better idea.

When you do a night, and the other, always, it was like, I need a night.

I can't speak.

Well, you've got to speak.

You've got to speak.

I just went out and made a speech to the Kentucky folks like I did to the New York folks.

We'll put out the appellation statement.

You have done a radio speech earlier today, which comes to say I don't think you're coming.

That's good.

You might be able to find me.

That's right.

Very good.

You don't have to write a whole new speech on a new topic.

You can't go in and do 10 minutes.

You gotta talk 20 minutes.

Well, he's even.

He's even, and you're very big in Kentucky, so you may very well be right.

That's not the kind of state where you get a lot of, like Massachusetts or Michigan, where you get a lot of making the balance.

It's the kind of state where they're super mixed sometimes.

That's why I said that at this low-level Ohio State, it's going to be better than any other.

I think going out at night, going out at night and coming back, that's great advantage.

Now that, that does not, that does not, that does not answer what everybody wants.

You're going to have fun with it.

I don't know how they could

And to be arguing in these other places, like Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, they're all the same situation.

Why not one of them instead of Kentucky?

Well, why?

West Virginia, you've got no center rates.

Pennsylvania, you've done it.

Ohio, you've done it.

Indiana, there's no point going to.

I don't know what you're doing.

Michigan, you've done it.

Wisconsin, you've done it.

It's really taking out of this group that's in here, taking one of the states of Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, and West Virginia, and out of those, Kentucky's the one you took.

So we're going to go ahead and accelerate.

Yeah, but that's the problem isn't it?

Because the football system is dirty.

The football system is nice.

No, but it's 7 in the 9th and less.

That's very correct.

Or something.

Okay.

Well.

Or Tuesday at 10.

Do it now.

We can do it a little later in the evening.

Or perhaps early in the last weekend.

You've got to do it.

You do it live.

You've got to.

I guess.

No.

It's all right.

It's a better day, I mean, every day.

And, uh, you know... Hi, Bert.

Get back here.

All right.

I think that's what we're going to do the next day.

It's not a bad idea.

Not a bad idea.

I hate her ever being nice to me.

Cougars.