{"conversationCode":"805-015","tapeNumber":805,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-805-015","startDateTime":"1972-10-19T16:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-19T16:08:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:07 PM","endDate":"19-Oct-1972","endTime":"12:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Johnson, James E.;","description":"On October 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and James E. Johnson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:08 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 805-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 805-15\n\nDate: October 19, 1972\nTime: 12:07 pm - 12:08 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with James E. Johnson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 31-141]","filename":["805-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Johnson, James E."],"prevCode":"805-014","nextCode":"806-001","transcript":[{"start":0.57,"end":4.19,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":5.77,"end":11.26,"text":"Yeah, I just wanted to tell you I heard about your boy, and I just wanted to wish you the very best."},{"start":11.38,"end":13.72,"text":"You've done a great work, and we always want to come out."},{"start":13.78,"end":14.32,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":17.86,"end":28.12,"text":"Well, it's one of those things that happens, and I know that it's going to be very hard for you and your family, but just stick in there."},{"start":28.14,"end":28.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.02,"end":32.92,"text":"Keep the faith."},{"start":32.96,"end":33.24,"text":"Good."},{"start":33.64,"end":35.62,"text":"And I talked to Willie Graham the other day."},{"start":35.64,"end":36.64,"text":"He said you were going to Wheaton."},{"start":37.54,"end":37.98,"text":"Right."},{"start":38.02,"end":40.14,"text":"Well, I'm glad you're going out there."},{"start":40.2,"end":48.03,"text":"I spoke there many years ago on the Capitol when I was running for vice president."},{"start":48.07,"end":50.07,"text":"You can say that when you speak with the president."},{"start":50.19,"end":52.45,"text":"I spoke there many years ago before most of them were born."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held a brief personal call with James E. Johnson to express condolences and encouragement regarding a difficult family situation involving Johnson's son. The President offered words of support and discussed Johnson’s upcoming speaking engagement at Wheaton College. Nixon shared a personal anecdote about his own past experience speaking at the institution to offer camaraderie.","topics":["Personal support","James E. Johnson","Wheaton College","Condolences"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:10:08.457Z"},"topicSlugs":["personal-support","james-e-johnson","wheaton-college","condolences"],"audioDurationSec":60,"audioFiles":[{"file":"805-015.mp3","bytes":1431927,"durationSec":59.59,"bitrate":192247,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.478Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/805-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/805-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/805/conversation-805-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}