{"conversationCode":"808-002","tapeNumber":808,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-808-002","startDateTime":"1972-10-27T15:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-27T15:16:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Oct-1972","startTime":"11:10 AM","endDate":"27-Oct-1972","endTime":"11:16 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:10 am to 11:16 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 808-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 808-2\n\nDate: October 27, 1972\nTime: 11:10 am - 11:16 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n        Harold Lee\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 57s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n        Demonstrators\n\n              -Nature of participants\n                  -Jim Schurz's report on Harvard University demonstrators\n                       -Vietnam War\n                       -Slogans\n                           -Draft\n                           -Hatred of country, system, Administration\n                       -Murder, assassination\n                       -Environmental issues\n                       -Homosexuality\n                       -Amnesty\n                       -Government secrecy\n                       -Amnesty\n                           -Public opinion\n                       -Abortion\n                           -Public opinion\n\nHaldeman left at 11:16 am.","filename":["808-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"808-001","nextCode":"808-003","transcript":[{"start":93.7,"end":95.88,"text":"Whatever else they might be, I don't feel assured of that kind of thing."},{"start":120.69,"end":125.23,"text":"I see why you can get any big amnesty thing, because nobody gives it to anybody."},{"start":125.27,"end":140.24,"text":"Amnesty is something a lot of people oppose, I don't think anybody, the people that are for amnesty don't care that much about it, they just think it's a nice idea."},{"start":140.44,"end":144.12,"text":"The unfortunate people do care, but that is the activist types, that's a different class of people."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss the political landscape regarding public opposition, specifically focusing on the intensity of anti-war sentiment among student demonstrators. The conversation centers on the controversy surrounding amnesty, with the President concluding that the general public strongly opposes the concept despite the advocacy of activist groups. They also touch upon broader cultural and political tensions, noting the hostile slogans and diverse grievances—ranging from environmental concerns to abortion—expressed by protesters at institutions like Harvard.","topics":["Amnesty","Vietnam War","Student demonstrators","Public opinion","Political activism"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:12:47.046Z"},"topicSlugs":["amnesty","vietnam-war","student-demonstrators","public-opinion","political-activism"],"audioDurationSec":149,"audioFiles":[{"file":"808-002.mp3","bytes":3576684,"durationSec":148.96,"bitrate":192088,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.478Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:37.163Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/808-002.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/808-002","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/808/conversation-808-002","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}