{"conversationCode":"808-012","tapeNumber":808,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-808-012","startDateTime":"1972-10-27T19:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-27T19:45:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Oct-1972","startTime":"3:44 PM","endDate":"27-Oct-1972","endTime":"3:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:44 pm to 3:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 808-012 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 808-12\n\nDate: October 27, 1972\nTime: 3:44 pm - 3:45 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n         Theodore H. White\n            -Televised version of The Making of the President\n                -Al Wasserman\n                     -Request to film aboard Air Force One on October 28, 1972\n                          -The President, H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman\n            -Press pool to California\n            -Ride in Ohio with Ziegler\n            -Press pool\n                -Haldeman\n\nZiegler left at 3:45 pm.","filename":["808-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"808-011","nextCode":"808-013","transcript":[{"start":7.61,"end":10.83,"text":"television version of the making of The President."},{"start":10.93,"end":16.21,"text":"And this fellow by the name of Washington is going to expire on me if I don't get him squared today."},{"start":17.05,"end":24.26,"text":"He would like to do about, I don't know, five minutes of filming on Air Force One tomorrow."},{"start":24.3,"end":24.78,"text":"No talk?"},{"start":25.02,"end":25.3,"text":"No, no talk."},{"start":25.32,"end":25.52,"text":"Oh, fine."},{"start":25.54,"end":28.3,"text":"I've never had a problem with that."},{"start":28.32,"end":29.82,"text":"They don't have any."},{"start":29.92,"end":34.18,"text":"It's just talking I don't want to do right now, because it's not fair to me."},{"start":34.2,"end":35.22,"text":"I'm filming a view with..."},{"start":37.46,"end":39.52,"text":"Oh, yes, sure."},{"start":39.82,"end":40.02,"text":"Good."},{"start":40.12,"end":43.66,"text":"Oh, incidentally, I'm quite on the pool."},{"start":43.76,"end":47.5,"text":"I'm going to spend the pool going to California Sunday, too."},{"start":47.64,"end":48.78,"text":"That'll give him a little chance."},{"start":48.8,"end":54.43,"text":"He's going to go to Ohio tomorrow, and I'm going to have him ride in the car with me."},{"start":54.73,"end":54.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":54.89,"end":59.09,"text":"But also put him on the pool, the pool, on the plane."},{"start":59.29,"end":61.11,"text":"I'll talk to him about his delights."},{"start":61.63,"end":61.91,"text":"Fine."},{"start":62.13,"end":62.35,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.67,"end":62.85,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.01,"end":63.23,"text":"Fine."},{"start":63.43,"end":63.59,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.73,"end":63.87,"text":"Yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinated logistics for a requested film segment for the television adaptation of Theodore H. White's 'The Making of the President.' Nixon approved a five-minute silent filming session aboard Air Force One with Al Wasserman, while strictly prohibiting any interviews. Furthermore, the two discussed managing the press pool during upcoming trips to Ohio and California, with Nixon opting to personally engage with specific journalists during transit.","topics":["Theodore H. White","Air Force One","Press relations","Media coverage","Ronald L. Ziegler","Campaign logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:13:45.458Z"},"topicSlugs":["theodore-h-white","air-force-one","press-relations","media-coverage","ronald-l-ziegler","campaign-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":68,"audioFiles":[{"file":"808-012.mp3","bytes":1642578,"durationSec":68.39,"bitrate":192151,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.478Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/808-012.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/808-012","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/808/conversation-808-012","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}