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Conversation 808-015

TapeTape 808StartFriday, October 27, 1972 at 4:45 PMEndFriday, October 27, 1972 at 5:11 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:45 pm to 5:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 808-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 808-15

Date: October 27, 1972
Time: 4:45 pm - 5:11 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

           The President’s schedule

           Radio speech draft on national defense

           Speech scheduling
               -National defense
               -Ronald L. Ziegler’s recommendations
               -“One America” speech
               -House Resolution [HR] 1 action
                   -National defense

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[Duration: 6m 2s ]

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       1972 campaign
           -Haldeman’s recent conversation with William F. (“Billy”) Graham
               -Watergate
                   -Impact
                   -Vietnam peace initiative
                        -Press coverage
                   -Effect
               -George S. McGovern as factor
                   -Movement in polls
                        -Television factor
               -Press conference in Tennessee
                   -The President playing politics with the war
                   -Press coverage in Memphis Commercial-Appeal
                        -Scripps-Howard

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[Duration: 1m 20s ]

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       1972 campaign
           -Haldeman’s recent conversation with Graham
               -Graham’s possible statement on character of men around the President and on
               the President
                    -Haldeman, Dwight L. Chapin
                    -Opinion of McGovern veracity
                    -Press coverage
               -Money to Jesse A. Helms in North Carolina
                    -Support of the President

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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[Duration: 28s ]

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       Vietnam settlement
           -Haldeman’s recent conversation with Graham
               -Possible rejection of agreement by North Vietnam
                    -Effect on 1972 election

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[Duration: 3m 2s ]

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       Vietnam settlement
           -Possible rejection by North Vietnam
               -Risk
                    -1972 election
                         -Media
                         -The President

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[Duration: 7m 2s ]

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Stephen B. Bull entered at 5:08 pm.

         The President’s schedule
             -Forthcoming reception for ethnic press and Heritage group leaders
                 -Hand-shaking with staff
                      -Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
                 -Introductions
                      -Herbert G. Klein
                           -Conversation with Bull

Bull left at 5:10 pm.

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[Duration: 1m 29s ]

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Haldeman left at 5:11 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Here's his radio speech.
Okay, well, our problem is that we're a team we've got now that adds an eight to the seven people who are planning radio speeches.
If we have another speech this Saturday, do you want to do the one America on Saturday?
He doesn't have any speeches for me to deliver.
All right, he had one America for Sunday and defense for Saturday.
If the one America has done, just as it is, because they just figured it out for Sunday.
Well, what does it make a difference?
Do we want to have one Saturday, one Sunday, one Monday?
Well, we have one Saturday and one Sunday.
The question is whether he's got one for Monday.
We don't have one down now for Monday.
Well, we don't need this one.
You just said you want to.
That was, well, like you, it's a good idea to pop something out there.
I think we can skip Monday anyway.
We'll have the HR1 action and all that stuff on Monday.
Well, I mean, that was just on Sunday.
Well, so if you want defense on Sunday, that's fine.
This is...
The Watergate business was penetrating a little bit, and the peace initiative was thrown into the back pages.
What do you think of the peace initiative?
I thought it was marvelous.
Do you just think it hurts?
No.
Why do you think about that?
Our statistics don't think it hurts.
He said the key thing, though, is that McGovern himself is a major factor in this election, and that there's no way to change.
Do you think the fact that he's coming through is a mask?
He says we're not in danger anywhere.
A local government is coming up a little.
He thinks his TV has been somewhat affected.
And he said that he had to come up a little.
He had a press conference in Tennessee.
And they asked him some question about the president playing politics with the war.
And he said, absolutely not.
And I laughed.
He said he was very disturbed.
Because a commercial appeal always carries his stories on the front page.
And they buried this on page 13.
because he had a strong denial of the President's unapologetic support.
He said, you know, I'm sure the commercial field is supporting the President, but I'm sure his script's not.
He said his son, Editor, who is, you know, against his...
He said any time we won, he would be most happy to make a very strong statement
my behalf and Deut's behalf about the character of the men around the president, as well as the president's character.
He said, that just makes me furious.
He said, McGovern's lying.
I know he is.
He said, that's all they've got.
He says, I don't know.
If I make it, they'll probably ignore it, just like they ignore all the other campaigns.
He says that we should get some money to Helms in North Carolina.
Have we?
Yes, we have.
I stuck the needle a little bit.
I said, we have.
We've got some, as you know.
And we've tried with an awful lot of our people that we've asked to channel money that we refuse to do it because of non-support of the president.
So they said, well, he did say some things against him some years ago.
And I said, yeah, but unfortunately, he hasn't been very strong this year.
People are looking very closely at their support in terms of the level of support of the president.
Billy said, the only problem I see is if North Vietnam blows the peace deal before the election.
He said, that might be a problem.
But he said, I'm not so sure even that would be.
I think maybe, you know, just people have confidence in the president.
As far as North Vietnam, he's blowing.
There are going to be rumors.
They won't do anything.
We've got an unacceptable risk.
Risk being that they know that they can't hold on to anything in the election.
They're not going to do anything.
They can't believe that, especially when they see what their first group did.
They're reading now, I would think, if they look at our media now, it has to be that if they did anything to affect the election, they helped you.
You're already passed, Mr. President.
Now, how much of the, do you think they have a limit to that?
And certainly they're not gonna have me shaking hands with our old committee to re-elect staff also.
I'm just here, no coincidence.
I think we can do that, it's no joke.
Because we've been running all those through, and I don't mind if I shake hands with their staff before.
On newer stations.
Well, I did it.
I did it on two or three occasions.
They messaged me in the past.
I think they'll appreciate this.
This is the editor.
We've got also the regional, the local, the state editors and publishers.
Is there anybody that can shove these people through or we don't have some long-winded fellow introducing them to me or some damn thing?
Because that's another problem, you know, they'll stop and take a lot of time.
He's got to do good things.
They need to crawl a long time.
Who's talking to me?
Her client was going through the induction center in Christ.
I did speak with her and indicated that I heard it.
Yes, sir.
And you specifically were happy that he was doing the induction center.
Yes, sir.
Do you know if he would get into your exhibition?
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