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Yeah, that was a, what it was, was a condensation of an hour special that they dropped.

So they took apparently part of what they had and ran it into the snow.

And ran it into the snow.

It was very damaging.

I don't know.

It's a total rehash.

If it's believed, it's probably damaging.

I would just, if you read the bottom of the page there, Mark got very, he got a page there about everything.

And the detail on it, Mark Allen got really excited about it.

He thinks it's the worst thing ever done on television, you know.

The CBS Watergate, 15 minutes, at least.

And there was no new news in it.

It was all...

Just re-hashing the stuff they had before.

We're supposed to talk to Stanton about it.

He said they weren't going to see it.

They were planning as a special stand, so of course they weren't going to run it as a special.

And she ruled dishonest fashion.

She didn't mention they were going to run it on the news instead.

Three or four to read, thanks.

I think I would change the broadcast from defense to the one America.

I don't think there's any problem in that, because you announced one of us.

We can do that, sir.

I'll ask the whole thing any time.

But I mean, it just really depends on if he's Sunday.

This one's going to go.

It's going to go around, so he's a problem.

I don't think so.

I think the testing has more hard news in it, and I don't want it to be just caught in the backwash of Vietnam.

I want it to come out Sunday, Monday, and on Thursday.

Are we making the change to build it up?

Yeah.

I see the phasing here is the concern of the ceasefire.

That's the only indication.

That's why we get a little more checking on it.

But they, that's maybe one of those network interview type things.

Because it was an agency that did some interviewing in Ohio and Columbus to pick that up.

I'm not so sure that

That's what we're going to look at.

It may be that that's the most we've invited.

We've really got to get Henry on his ass to hit it more.

And Rogers has got to get the rest so that we, it's purely political now.

We can't be farting around and wondering whether or not I signed the bank.

Or get my money.

Sure.

well i think we have done all the right stuff that our way really is far stronger right now you got a very good reaction

McGovern's late, basically low.

He puts a, I don't understand why we couldn't have done it four years ago.

Stryker's hitting harder.

But you've got against that, and quite good.

Bundy was good, and so was George Ball.

And Averill Harriman wasn't bad.

He confused it, as he does every night.

Hardsmith is a superb guy.

Take care.

Yeah, he's not in here, so would you like to see more?

Is that all?

No, I haven't seen, uh...

I haven't seen her on this.

I mean, we've got to actually flip out of this horseshit here.

Oh, you've got to flip.

They had an orchestrated thing, Sam, and they moved.

Yeah.

That's right.

It's good to see we called that, Bob.

And we'll have the other positive people go on.

Okay, you won't get the credit for the positive one.

But at least you won't get the continuing bad bounce on that.

Bad to the degree it's bad.

Goddamn city, that's what I was saying.

I just got worried reading.

Chuck was quite drunk because he thought, he said they're not gonna run another 15 minutes tonight.

Yeah, so they're gonna run another 15 minutes tonight.

Well, I don't know if it's 15 minutes, another feature tonight.

It's nice to have somebody else in our show post.

It's just, yeah, that kind of stuff is tiring.

Variety and variety.

So, yeah.

You are impressed in 1967?

Yeah.

Absolutely, I'll do it in person.

We can get him on the telephone for you, Mr. President.

He's about a half hour away.

You have to get him on the phone.

He's about half an hour away.

I have a December meeting here.

I'll get him on the phone.

One American this morning says, no, that's tomorrow.

At that time, I'm going to beat up the Amnesty thing and keep that all up.

Beat that up again and keep it alive for the last two weeks until he can respond.

But he can hype what he can say because of some last minute changes or something on the presence of the president.

And now the presence just won't go public in traffic.

It'll get a bigger play if the president edits from editing on it last night.

And view of recent developments.

Just say that he did some editing on it and we're going with this other one.

That'll raise enough speculation in their minds to put a lot more attention on it.

Depends on if we just log it out.

We got a little speech, one of our speeches.

We did the one on spending.

We did the one on the salary.

We did the one on honor.

We did the one on education.

Oh, this is six and seven.

I'd like to make ten.

Oh, we have three to go.

I don't know what else we got coming up.

Well, we've got urban on Wednesday, water policy on Friday, and goals on Saturday.

What's the TV?

Okay.

Ron, it's Bob.

Personally, I'm talking to you because he wants to smooth the defense speech for tomorrow and do the One America speech today.

And you've already announced that today would be the defense speech, but the thought would be that he's had to do some extensive editing on the defense speech because of the importance of it and so on, and that it will therefore be postponed until tomorrow and he'll deliver a different address today than what he was planning to do tomorrow.

Today?

I don't think so.

Yeah, he'll instead substitute today the speech that he was planning to do tomorrow.

Defense.

It definitely, he'll give the defense speech tomorrow, but he's postponed it one day because of some extensive editing he's had to do on it.

And because of the importance of the speech.

He'd like to hypo the defense speech.

And we want to get the best ride out of it that we can, and plus he is doing some reworking on it.

That works okay, don't you think?

Okay.

I was planning to come to that Camp David tonight, but I do feel strongly I should see the surgeons, all right?

I was wondering if it's not that much of a problem if maybe it would be a great, a nice touch to have the surgeons go to Camp David with the authority.

Yes, ma'am.

I just said I'm here.

It's better to be here.

What time is it going to be now?

1130, I believe.

Well, where should we go?

Let's go over to the residence.

Well, it's set up.

It's set up nice.

Well, okay.

It's actually better at the auditorium.

It's better set up.

Okay.

It's much more comfortable.

I did that with a man.

With a service, yeah.

Not the wives.

Good.

I go, I'm not going to do long.

I'm going to do about half an inch.

Hayes getting concerned that Henry shouldn't be briefing the servants because it's political.

He's right.

But he's got to do it.

And that's what we're calling in for that briefing.

I don't think he is.

They are your spokesmen.

We're briefing them on what to do.

He said, what the hell?

He's briefing one of you and that's political.

I don't think we want to value it, but I don't see how we can get it .

You know, I have two-thirds of those .

We get that stuff all the time, and I just, it's wrong.

We said we weren't going to do it.

We get it set up.

That kind of thing is all right.

It's a waste of time.

I'm sorry.

It's a waste of time.

It's a waste of time because there's no real payoff from here.

And sure, that adds a little .

But, hell, they got all that briefing too late.

If that had been a month ago, it would have been useful, or two weeks, six weeks ago, three weeks ago.

It's probably what about them that shows the attention to me.

And also, we're building a huge problem.

Yeah.

I got to remember those bulls and I've got to get them to the boardrooms and suites and things and so forth and so on for a long time, you know, ever and ever.

We've got to keep, that's the important thing is to keep playing those people afterwards.

We've got to, those people who you say you've seen it that we're going to have to see them again in White House dinners and stuff like that.

or where they feel they're part of the in crowd when it's over.

The only thing, the one thing, I think, the Watergate that was shared with CBS is a despicable thing to do.

But I'm going to have to get my point across, and I think I'm the only one who really feels strongly about it.

I want to get all editors and opinionators, I want to get our case across to them, not because of the election, and not even before the election.

I want people to know what the hell the truth is.

The way to do that is after the election, we've got to put the money and the effort into really pulling this together in a number of ways that before we hit them, the way they hit us.

Not with an esoteric book, not with, you know, Keota's book was fine for backup.

He did that one.

The book was damn good.

It got us excited, and it got a few press people interested.

And it put the networks on a little bit.

But it doesn't get to the point.

The way it's got to be done is there's a propaganda war in the same way.

Have a great day.

So it needs to go from 12 to 20.

What time does it speak to 12?

12 to 6.

Yeah.

Okay.

Right now, we can have a copy of that.

If that question arises too, we can test it.

Yes, sir.

Very good.

There's no follow-up on the One America one except the standard stuff and the defense one.

Whatever they have programmed, it should be done tomorrow.

It just occurred to me we get our machinery in motion, we would be following up on a speech

Do you have any of that?

Yes, but I'll have to ask.

There are two pages of this that have to be redone.

That's the one I'm going to do today.

And they're very small changes.

Which is great.

But you can't tell them.

Well, if you didn't cross that out, I think maybe you would want to.

Maybe there's a reason.

You might want to take part of it.

Oh, it was.

Tomorrow, I'll still, I can still make changes in that.

Take it with me.

And I can make changes really bad.

Well, I wanted to say, I think Henry, you're doing a great job getting this story across and everything.

I wanted to raise that.

I wanted to raise that whether I really have serious doubts whether that surrogate's grieving for me is a good idea or not.

If you open the meeting, which you're now talking about doing, can Henry brief them?

It makes it a very political thing.

Oh, sir.

They're more political than you're briefing Paul Warnecke.

You're briefing his side.

You're briefing our side.

These are officials of the government.

Every one of them.

And it's been leaked to the newspapers, aren't it?

Well, they're trying to make a point to do it.

Well, you can't avoid that.

They've been brought in to get... Why not?

Because he can't do it.

No, he can't.

He can make political points.

I mean, he won't do it.

They have my preaching anyway.

I have already worked out with Colson the points that need to be made.

In fact, they're points that are a little rougher than Henry Kwan's name, but I don't want to disagree with their name.

Oh, no.

I think there's something to be said for this.

I think a little, by the time he finds out there's a political thing, we want to do that.

The other point that's being made, I guess,

And he settled with her nurses and so forth and so on.

All of us intend to agree to that.

And God knows we don't know.

And the third point is it doesn't make any difference.

We have no choice.

That's exactly right.

The time comes to settle.

And we're doing the right thing.

And God knows we know it.

I'm awfully glad, though, that you are referring to that letter that I wrote to you.

That's a charity letter.

Don't let them see if there's something there.

I don't want them to see.

Here's a handwritten letter.

I wave it at them and I read from it.

I can't let him see it because it mentions Hanoi, the trip to Hanoi.

I know.

It also mentions that we can't drop the ship.

You should let him see a handwritten letter from the president.

He would have to be on the ship and try it.

But it was a great, impressive present.

He sat up in the middle of the night before he went.

He had this tool that Henry don't open.

This kid got on a plane.

He had a little bit of it on him.

They love that.

I got that out and...

It had several items and instructions on what the key point was.

Well, and I said they were going to, uh, they had to try to check the came back to see if they could get some more information over there.

I think we've got a, you've got a semi, an only semi, danger signal in this game they're playing and the one that's still happening.

It's the only way we can do that.

It's the only way they can turn this the other way and they're going to try to.

We've got to be awful careful not to overreact to that.

No.

Yes.

If it sets in, we've got to be damn careful before it.

But the main thing is we've got to win on the political side.

We've got to win on the political side.

But that's why there's a lot of defense to beat me out of that issue on the political side, because... Yeah, the only point is that the service squad won't have anything to say.

Well, the basic issues, we have on a piece of paper for them.

And I'm...

I agree with him, but I have a chance to tell him I really think he can.

Me too.

It might give him a chance to sing.

I'm not so sure.

Don't worry about how they feel about it.

You've been told about the Henry's coming.

That doesn't bother me at all.

The servants.

Roger should do it.

I'm worried about that.

I'm not worried.

You're worried about Roger.

Yeah, and my interest is the substance of what they're given.

The point of, I mean,

Your thought on bringing them in for a briefing by Henry is more valid than it was at the time you gave the view.

That's the reason I thought we ought to do it.

Or we were going to do it, you know, we were going to have a deal.

And that... Yeah.

But then, the problem is that the basic things they have to get out, they don't have to know all the subtleties.

If they know what is the difference between the McGovern position and our position, why it couldn't have been done four years ago.

or why couldn't it be done for a month ago?

They all have, or they can have, what I said.

The President has achieved his goals.

The return of our POWs has ceased fire and no communist government in South Vietnam.

That is the point that they've got to get across.

MacArthur would have had us leave the POWs to the mercy of our enemies.

He would have had us withdraw without any reciprocal action on the part of the enemy.

And he would have turned, he would have disarmed himself, get on his knees and allow the communists to take it over.

His was a program of surrender, and they beat, and ours was a program of honor.

But that's the speech, right?

Nothing else to say?

As far as the election is concerned, we've been working on this all the time.

And the election is not to be concerned.

We're more interested in making the right kind of settlement.

And all we're doing now is to niggle it out.

We've had too many settlements in the past that were too loosely drawn.

The president has insisted, let's get this one nailed down so that we can be sure our POWs are returned, so that we can be sure that there's a ceasefire, so that we can be sure that there's no communist government that coves in South Vietnam.

We didn't publish the agreement.

We were perfectly willing.

You mean if you guys did all that, that's fine.

You've got to get in the back with them, not with these people.

I think you can guess why.

These people are doing the Q&A.

They need the answers, which they'll get in the briefing.

I agree.

But it's one thing to read a briefing.

It's another thing to get a... My instinct is that it's a great mistake to permit my government to say that.

that I agreed to a whole bunch of people who are going out in the country to debate and that this proves that it's a political deal all along, that they were brought in from all over the country.

And one of the strengths is that people are not so ready to tackle me on...

I mean, one of the atoms in this.

The other side of that is that this is now the subject of considerable political distortion.

That's right.

It's essential that it be...

It's a second law department thing.

It's a non-political thing.

PR is a more important substance right now.

PR, PR, PR.

Got to remember that if somebody out there is hitting our side and hitting it hard and well, well...

We will think about it and I'll be gone today.

You'll be here tomorrow, won't you?

Yes, I'll be here anyway.

I'll be here tomorrow.

You also have a major problem with the PRC about announcing this grain deal, which they have specifically asked them not to do, and which the agriculture people speak into your speech without showing to us.

It's not possible.

I mean, I only, I didn't know anything about it.

It said it was in the last few days.

No, no, we tracked it down.

I don't believe anything in these speeches that hasn't posted anywhere.

Who the hell did this?

Who is this?

But, but, but, it was, nobody told everyone what they could say about it.

It's not going to be all that much of a problem.

No, they had sent us specifically a note two weeks ago asking us not to refer to it.

Well, it is that much of a problem today.

My concern isn't that.

My concern was that the paper, but it's done now.

Bob, you've got to have it.

I don't have the time to check every goddamn item.

I've got to get out the funds.

It's his fault.

I should have told funds, not the secretary, not the... Somebody has to run by old shops.

That's the whole point.

So I better look over these other speeches to be sure they run by.

Is that being done?

Isn't that...

It's the sort of thing that's bound to happen when so many speeches are done.

Okay.

It's...

I just assumed it said that several days ago that the .

Normally nothing is let out that has mentioned a foreign country that doesn't get sent over into my job.

It wasn't?

Well, it wasn't because it came from a place in the agriculture department that usually checks with us.

And the bastards knew we were not going to authorize it, so they slipped it through... through...

They normally check it with the agriculture department.

I just want to call on John to say that this was a lower level bureaucratic put in by the president.

I'm very sorry.

Try about a little.

If you believe me, Henry, you don't know how much I thought of these goddamn speeches and actions.

We're going to see little things here that I don't like.

We knock it down, but that's Bob's responsibility to say you're not Bob's.

Price is responsible for that.

Price has got to do that.

How many people ship, if they can't check these things, then get a new staff?

That's where we bog down.

I don't think we have too many checkers.

Oh, that's the right thing to do.

They should be checked.

We do pretty well with that.

No, no.

They always check the trouble.

And I rose in this case because somebody thought it had to be checked.

I'm going to do the defense thing tomorrow rather than today, as I had a few odds in it, so I'm going to change.

Borky has commanded a briefing, and we can't refuse him that.

But you must not.

No, Haig is doing it.

Absolutely, you're not.

You must never read for him.

He's the son of a bitch.

They want to go up to the Senate.

No, no, Haig is doing it.

Haig should just take your reading that you gave the press and give him that and nothing more.

Not one, one iota more.

That's what he's doing.

Son of a bitch.

Why did he come in earlier?

He did come in earlier.

He's been implied for them.

Yeah, okay.

And we just give them a goddamn thing.

Haig's on both sides.

Haig didn't give me anything in 68 either, did he?

Well, I just want you to know.

I know.

I just want you to know, too.

So we'll give him an... We've got a perfect case here.

We offered it to him, but he reduced it.

Warren, he's coming around, and he's getting that money.

But that's the way it's going to be placed.

Otherwise, it's a state of play of all that it was.

The North Vietnamese O has an answer.

The press is scratching it up like crazy in the real world.

I'll be meeting.

The trouble they're going to have is, supposedly they accept November 1st.

When I come back, have we then signed the goddamn thing?

I'm already positioning them.

Once they call in saying, if there is another meeting,

I'll have to come back here.

Report what?

Report consultation with the president, consultation with Saigon.

So it's a process of several weeks.

Right.

You've done that beautifully.

I've seen that.

So I...

They're going to try.

It's obvious to me.

I've seen the Washington Post today.

Madeline Berger and...

They're beginning to...

Hathaway and such as you'd expect.

Now the liberals are on the side of the Jews.

Henry, what would you better?

Like they were on the side of Chiang Kai-shek.

He barely avoided getting scuttled, is what Maitreya said.

The American people would be one damn about that.

Now, no one reads Madeline Berger on the editorial page of the Washington Post.

The real question is, with all of our problems, whether it's political or not for us, do they want the next form of government to handle these things?

That's the real question.

We've got to find out if this is not the communism coalition government.

Even if it's the ring, that's the only issue.

You've got to look very deeply into it.

I agree.

I'm perfectly capable of breathing.

They don't like mine.

I don't think there's any, I don't think, I don't think there's any problem.

There's a little bit of concern about the Henry thing.

Well, let us decide, okay, then.

We'll do the right thing.

I agree.

My own instinct is that it's better not to politicize it too much.

Right.

Well, politicize.

I know, but...

Good morning.

Yeah.

I called Jay Lovezone yesterday about that.

Good, good.

And he's coming in on Tuesday this evening.

He's delighted.

Good.

So I don't think we'll have any trouble with Meany because Meany doesn't have any opinions except the ones Lovezone gives him on foreign policy.

Meany has bought Five Minute National Radio Network.

He's asked for a Five Minute National Radio Network purchase.

Or Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

It's next week.

Maybe he's got a dorsal cover.

I'm not afraid of it.

He can't dorsal cover.

I don't think he can.

Hank was trying to breathe in yesterday.

And then he suddenly called and said he had a cold and wasn't available till Monday.

That could be true.

That's what I thought love sounds just to get the temperature.

Well.

You will be checked away.

Boy, I've had it centered.

This check-in comes, and they've got a week to do it.

And you're going to have a network.

You're going to call them.

You'll have the Washington Post and the New York Times.

Although, as I said, I want you to keep the Times folded in, but don't talk to the Post.

The faculty and the Times will override the Post among opinion makers.

Stay close to Franklin.

I'd say, if you just say that you're, you know what I mean, play them like a yo-yo.

That's our main hokum on the establishment, the Times, and then the networks.

What you did with Howard Smith paid off last night.

Well, he sure did.

He gave the best.

Well, my fundies was pretty good, but Smith did a very solid job of shooting out of this thing.

Couldn't have been done four years ago.

Couldn't have been done four weeks ago.

That's right.

See, that shows everybody else.

And if anybody else... Now do you think if he worked while, we're happy to try to talk to that asshole Cronkite?

See, that I'd love to do.

He knows him well.

I could see Cronkite, I could see Chancellor.

Well, why not?

What parts of Cronkite's position on the fire case and so forth get him off of?

Cronkite doesn't comment.

I just wonder if you don't want to talk to Severide, who is...

I've already talked to him.

...who is dumber and more aggressive.

I don't know what he's drawing, whether he's talking about it here or not.

One or the other.

You have talked to Severin?

Yes.

Trouble with these guys is they're done with an election campaign.

That's where it's going to be after the election.

Well, we'll get the second part when the agreement is made.

Problem now is you can't let, I don't think we have any danger of who we got to watch it.

You can't let the thing set in that this was, there's a potential people reaction that this was, this is a political plot.

Okay.

There's a strong susceptibility to believe in that, especially after the

We didn't have all that much choice because if we hadn't gone this route,

Then the other side would have published their plan and said they've now accepted your May 8th plan.

Then you would have been in one hell of a campaign situation.

They were not going to let you get elected without doing something.

So if I had started dragging my feet, the probability is that they would have published their plan.

Although I suppose we could have survived that.

Thank you.

and everybody jacks off, jacks asses around, and gets excited about every little thing.

And most of it doesn't matter that much unless the election is terribly close.

We're going to see a lot of that.

The opposition is...

Terrifying.

Deep down, they don't have a government here to do well.

And a few, only a very few, absolutely not a few, think in some way they can pull it off and they'll still do something stupid or they'll do something very right.

also realize they were going to win.

Now, what do they want to do?

They want to smear it as much as they can so that it does not appear to be a decent, it will be a marred victory so that they cannot lead successfully.

They will not succeed, in my opinion, because winning is winning in this country.

I'm not sure they can predict if they're going to win as much as we do.

Suppose we win 40 states instead of 45.

That's a hell of a win.

Suppose we get a 655% report.

That's what I was in our ground for 52.

That was a hell of a win.

All right.

Third one.

We also have to be cold-blooded enough not to let these assholes that have crucified us, and I mean the political politicians, not the government at all, the oppressed people that have crucified us, your friends in the university community, the preachers that have crucified us, we cannot let them get away with this totally immoral, hypocritical, satanist idea of, well, here we are, we could have done this four years ago, we're playing politics for peace

Oh, I put somebody on the heat to the heavens, so this is just to get us out on the floor.

God knows that's going to be first, but we can play both games.

I play it very early, now you're breathing.

Oh, good Lord, yes.

Well, and I think that this week one has to balance whatever people are saying against what they would have been talking about without this issue.

They would have been talking about corruption.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

Like self-righteousness.

I mean, it's an outrage to CBS to give 15 minutes of a news broadcast.

Yeah, but without this, they wouldn't let us do an hour special.

as you see in our special we lost part of the audience and it was a big group of proteins

There is a group of 10 of us commentators, including Kronkhoff, that have asked me to meet with them in New York for months, and I've never done it.

Do it.

But not on the record.

Say, look, this is for your program.

So you've got to understand, on the record, it's fine.

But except what compliments those assholes is to say, all right, gentlemen, you can all use this.

And the way I use it, I've done this so often.

And I say, gentlemen, this is off the record.

I know that you are people who comment on this.

You're thoughtful people.

You're not looking just for the hot news.

I can therefore speak more clearly than I could if I'm talking to them and say exactly the same thing you said when you were speaking on the record.

It's terribly impressive, that show.

You know, Bob, as I looked at the thing, I was so glad that I decided

Did you notice that he got quite a player here?

He's got a terrific play.

Sure did.

Did you say anything?

The value of it was the kind of thing, like the guys like Billy Graham, and he represents a very big segment.

I saw it on every television news show.

See the press about the people.

Yes, sir.

And all the reporters really look like him.

Yeah, I know.

They should have been taken back.

Oh, it's not a long way.

OK.

And of course, most people didn't even know the game you were playing.

They had forgotten that when you were announcing three weeks ahead of time that you were going to shoot the November 2nd while all their eyes were going off.

Now that in itself was cool, hardly enough to let them think that it was going on for three weeks.

It was so cool.

But the reason you did it is because we were running that big club on the...

All the mining and alluring all our aircraft.

We'll see you around.

If it's triggered, it's sold.

We didn't get as much as we used.

Wow.

Wow, these are the things you assholes would be afraid of.

I will not identify them.

And they all get great coverage.

They get great coverage, and they take a little of my time in preparation.

And perhaps a total of 30 minutes in all, 50 minutes apart, and 50 minutes to read.

And now then, thank you so much.

There's a three column headline in the LA Times, and the education speaker's elite, so... No, all of them are...

They're pretty good speeches, in that regard.

I don't think you ought to see him before he agrees, Mr. President.

I've offered him to see you two weeks after the deal.

Well, let me say, after the election, there's no problem.

After the election, I've now concluded that, if necessary, we're safe.

South Vietnam will still survive, even if it's something like that.

I really think so.

Well, we have no choice.

We're too well-launched on the course now, we've had.

I mean, that's why I picked it up.

No reason we sit at conference with the government.

We can drag it out four weeks.

That we can do.

You want me to do anything about this son of a bitch, too?

No, I think what I am considering is whether we should write him a letter from you because he's already doing what we ought to.

Does he at least know that I am his friend?

That's right.

He doesn't pissing on me yet?

No.

He's not getting the piss on me.

Well, let's see if I can piss on you if he doesn't try.

He knows that I am distressed by some of the things that have appeared.

He must know that from our four years of association, he can count on my friendship and my support.

We are going to work this out in cooperation.

and that public statements of this sort will only result in less public support for a greater United States.

He has played it.

How about Senator?

I think we should.

I brought him a three page letter from you.

One that says, I am the first.

And only the break which we have today will serve the cause of the end.

That we are going to stand together.

Mr. President, I think this basic hang-up has nothing to do with the terms of the settlement.

It's our leaving.

Good luck.

We'll let you know about the farm.

Don't worry.

He feels that strong hand, and he's got to drop it out of it.

He's got to do it well.

That's right.

He's so petrified, he'll tarnish his own.

I don't know.

He's got to do it.

I think having Rogers do it, just say, Bill, you get prepared to do it and knock these points down.

How about that?

I really feel the left riders have the lead force for a change.

It would be effective on us.

It may be better if you... Riders?

Oh, hang on now.

The lunch is coming.

And then I'll present it when I see we're here.

I'm on Secretary of State.

Tell you what this really means and so forth.

You...

There's no reason.

You shouldn't bring them up.

There's no reason.

those three points your way to them.

And they'll get that loud and clear.

If you say it more clearly, you say it more forcefully, and because it comes from you, it has a different...

I'm going to use that, I'm going to come down, I'm going to come back here and start to raise a disservice myself, and I'm going to have Rogers do it.

I mean, he's, I can't have him here and have reasons, and I don't want to.

But Rogers, I want you to call Rogers and tell him this is the biggest, and that the President feels he's the best man to do it because he understands how to put things in a very simple political way.

And we're really going to lay it in and knock the shit out of him.

In fact, this is what it is.

We've had political considerations again and yet again.

No communist government is out of Vietnam.

We have a guarantee of a return of our ceasefire and of our prisoners.

There is a ceasefire.

And that the MacGyver program was one of the projects surrendered in which there would be our prisoners were left with the mercy of the Lord.

I've said this about perhaps at least a hundred times, Chuck.

Nobody seems to get it.

For Christ's sakes, let's get it.

Okay, sir.

The point here is not to greet these people.

It's not to hit them.

It's to give them the line.

Give them the line.

Also, the worst, I want you to get on a couple of pages.

The worst, McGovern, quotes McGovern.

Let me explain.

Here's what McGovern said about it.

Here's what a striker said, so that our people can go in and cut land.

I think we're going to have to go over it.

You're going to find the rest of the rest.

Look, they're dying.

The person's dying.

They're just dying.

And that's why they're trying to say that Pennsylvania is closed, closed dramatically.

Well, nine points.

Well, now, Christ, so it's nine points.

In Pennsylvania, nine points is 500,000 votes.

But it is nine points, so that's all right.

I suppose it is.

You don't like the sound of it, but you should try to go on.

Columbus people think it's a political sound.

Hey, that ain't too bad.

No, that's...

It ain't too bad.

I can give you the explanation of that.

What is it?

Well, those people were all interviewed before the Kissinger briefing.

They were selected, undecided voters, people who had not expressed their choice of having to vote.

After the Kissinger briefing, on Thursday night,

Kincaid called each one of them back and said, do you want to change your opinion?

None of them said they did.

And it's a shoddy piece of journalism, which... None of them said they did.

That's right.

None of them said they wanted to change their opinion, which they had expressed earlier in the week, that if there is a piece, it's political.

The reason for this is that...

I had a caller call last night.

They were trying to find what the undecided move was to call us.

They picked voters who had not expressed their preference.

Right.

Previous to this loop.

Right.

We know most of those in the country.

Right.

Question.

Is Harris still in the office?

No.

I can read it because he's written in the text.

It's magnificent.

It's the greatest thing I've ever heard.

Great.

She's available to go on all three networks, she's the best.

I really had a great time with her.

Yeah, did a good job with her.

Sent her yesterday morning, so we had a great time.

There must be prepared, and I've got to be hand-worked on this apparently, but there must be prepared for this to reach all editors.

This has no effect on the election.

I just want to do it right.

What people like Martin Tate can make of it.

I mean, we've got to get a white paper about where this stuff is.

Does anybody understand what he's saying?

Yeah, we did.

The client had put out a hell of a statement.

We've nailed our ad.

I, the second in on the brief, put out a hell of a statement.

I thought they were going to press conference.

I thought we were going to be in a press conference in the city.

Apparently, they handled nothing about the other day.

The other day.

And on the water, they just say that they're out of the board.

They're out of the back of the city.

It's kind of a three-way thing.

tie the White House in, and so forth, political opportunities, etc.

When the hell is going to be done about this, John?

When and when are they going to get something done?

What is the trouble?

These points, of course, have been gutted.

What we hear in this is aggressive and aggressive.

What about the very responsible editor, like Martin Hageby?

getting up to it and letting him ride something with his colleagues.

How about getting Paul Miller to manage the ride that he was on?

The guy told something about that.

And we'll get a mailing out of the Barron's piece.

But this has all been... What this is, what you're seeing, is just the last night mud that they're seeing on all of this.

And this is the one case where they've had the hell of a meeting.

They've had a hell of a ride on these.

very undeserved, as we know, and we'll...

The help of a little chunk of the establishment media that reaches a hell of a lot of people, they don't have the help of 90% of the people.

Oh, hell no.

I mean, that grain deal, one of our guys ran a three-part, 15-minute each night, 45 minutes on the grain deal.

All right, all right.

All right, coming away from the grain deal, what about the Watergate thing up there?

I mean, they've ignored the thing.

And also, when, for Christ's sakes, are we going to start to get across anything about...

Gunning McGonagher to repudiate bombing, to repudiate the rapture, do you think that made him a martyr?

No, I don't think that happened.

It doesn't matter.

They hammered that.

Dole was going to hit that tomorrow on Face the Nation.

He hit it with a couple of releases this week that I was amazed at.

That flowed very heavily.

He really did.

He dug up, Grace, he dug up stuff out of McGonagher's background.

I knew it was a big prank.

They pranked him all over the country.

I'd like to get the fact that in this campaign,

And it wouldn't have occurred to either of you, but I remember 1960 when, what, lost Texas was an insult to labor.

Now, it probably, it couldn't have occurred to either of you, but you wouldn't understand this sort of thing.

What I don't use is how they have heckled, how they tried to shout down Christian when she was there, but that's much more important than shouting me down in the section.

What I don't use

Yes, sir.

We've made that point.

We don't have the cooperation, unfortunately, of the media who will give us the benefit.

Yes, sir.

Because that is pretty rough stuff.

Sure, let me talk about what in the name of God we do at the Christian Handbook Library.

But the point is, do they think these are accidents?

That 250 students come to the goddamn thing and shout obscenities by accident?

But this is why they get ahold of the microphone at the Statue of Liberty by accident.

Do they break $15,000 for the windows in San Francisco by accident?

But the problem, the problem you got with that is,

that in 1960, something like that was a shocking event.

And today, something like that is exactly what's expected on both sides.

And we're not going to get that.

But, Mr. President, it also is a reason why the government is looking at 1.30 American people in the polls, because I think people see those long games that are going to get in the picture, and they don't like it.

I mean, the exact time of the broadcast is 10.30 or 10.35, 10.30.

Check again, 2-3-5 minutes after the half hour.

I want to move back.

I want to go over there and sit for a while.

Okay, let's see what I can get out of it.

Yes, sir, I can send her that job.

I'll let you know when I go to that facility.

All right, John.

Kick him in the ass.

Yes, sir.

I'm going with Frank Grayson.

I'm going to go for CPS this weekend, Wilson.

Well, how lucky you do.

My walkover medical said it was raised.

Holy hell, it's the right way to go.

No, it's just... No, I don't know.

I don't know.

He's been framed.