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Conversation 810-001

TapeTape 810StartTuesday, October 31, 1972 at 11:04 AMEndTuesday, October 31, 1972 at 11:10 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On October 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:04 am to 11:10 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 810-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 810-1

Date: October 3l, 1972
Time: 11:04 am - 11:10 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler at 11:04 am.

[This recording began at an unknown time while the conversation was in progress.]

        Statement on possible Vietnam settlement
             -Coalition government
                 -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s view
                      -Nguyen Van Thieu
                 -Preservation of South Vietnam’s right to choose its own government
             -Expectations of agreement
                 -Henry A. Kissinger’s schedule
                      -Timing
                      -Signing of agreement
                      -Associated Press [AP] wire story

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:04 am.

        The president's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:10 am.

             -Deadline
                 -Deliberate pace of negotiations
                     -Avoidance of resumption of war
                 -The President’s meeting with Kissinger

Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:04 am.

        The President’s schedule
            -Kissinger’s office

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:10 am.

                                        (rev. Nov-03)

                  -1972 election
                  -Quality of peace
                      -Details of agreement
                           -Compared to 1968 agreement
                           -Compared to 1962 agreement

Ziegler left at 11:10 am.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Al said on the coalition government part, he said, if we get into this, he said it's going to be, he feels open on a lot of questions about the whole subject, but also could, according to Al, be detrimental to some of the things they're doing with Chew.
So he wants to say everything that we've discussed except the
We have always insisted on it.
And we want a peace that, as the President said, will give the people of South Vietnam the right to determine their own future.
An agreement to be one that guarantees the right of the people of South Vietnam to determine their own future.
Fine, I'll keep that in mind.
Just put that in that column.
Correct.
Okay, good.
Thank you.
Obviously, on the part about us kissing, they're going to see you this morning, being signed this weekend.
I'm not going to say anything from here, though.
Tribute to those extra questions.
That's right.
That's right.
That we, I see that you can say that we don't, that when there's anything to announce, it will be announced.
Anything else will be announced.
Tribute to those extra questions.
You see, Dave, there's an AP wire service out there.
This will be in states Latin, according to the Reformed American officials.
He will go this week, and then the agreement will be signed this weekend.
I think we want to... Well, knock that down.
Knock that down.
I can't.
If any deadlines, that's the one that's a great idea, that's my opinion.
Will we agree that we, the important thing is, the important principle is, the agreement must be the right agreement.
Is that any deadline?
We are not.
We have no deadline.
Our deadline, the only deadline we are looking at is the right kind of agreement.
peace that might lead to another war, to a reduction of the war.
You get that, Mike?
I'm going to have a hasty peace.
Not properly.
It's got to be, and that there's no, that I would, that it'd be very unwise, especially that my disagreement will be reached when it's one that...
I'm going to use the word sanctity.
Sanctity.
But the point is, it must be a peace to the last.
And we're not, and there's no deadline.
That is, we're not negotiating against the deadline.
We're negotiating for the right.
We're not negotiating to meet the deadline.
We are not negotiating to get the right kind of peace.
And the deadline is, what's the problem here?
It's inconsistent.
The only deadline that we have that we're open to is that the disagreement will be signed when we have the right kind of agreement, but the right kind of agreement
We're not going to allow a deadline, not this weekend, or the deadline of an election day, to stampede us into a Senate agreement, which would bring only temporary
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