{"conversationCode":"810-005","tapeNumber":810,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-810-005","startDateTime":"1972-10-31T16:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-31T16:43:00.000Z","startDate":"31-Oct-1972","startTime":"11:36 AM","endDate":"31-Oct-1972","endTime":"11:43 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:36 am and 11:43 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 810-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 810-5\n\nDate: October 31, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 11:36 am and 11:43 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n             Forthcoming signing ceremony of 1973 Appropriations Act\n                 -Alexander P. Butterfield’s location\n                 -Timing\n                 -Possible photograph session\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 11:43 am.","filename":["810-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"810-004","nextCode":"810-006","transcript":[{"start":0.24,"end":3.72,"text":"Sorry, Mr. President, I think Alex is... Must have gone to the washroom."},{"start":3.74,"end":6.88,"text":"I'm just checking with the washroom."},{"start":6.92,"end":8.88,"text":"Oh, that's a problem."},{"start":8.9,"end":9.18,"text":"All right."},{"start":9.26,"end":16.87,"text":"If I could, did they want us to have the signing on it so you know that... Well, I don't know, because I don't exactly know."},{"start":16.89,"end":17.85,"text":"It's just influence."},{"start":18.39,"end":20.89,"text":"No, I'm fine, but I..."},{"start":21.57,"end":22.59,"text":"But he has the bill ready."},{"start":22.79,"end":25.43,"text":"Yes, sir, he has the..."},{"start":25.45,"end":28.59,"text":"I believe what is in that package is fine."},{"start":28.68,"end":29.21,"text":"Oh, it's really fine."},{"start":29.83,"end":32.79,"text":"It may be that they left you on the tree."},{"start":32.83,"end":35.75,"text":"Listen to me, my sir."},{"start":35.81,"end":38.63,"text":"It may be that they left you on the tree."},{"start":38.99,"end":39.4,"text":"Two-thirty."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the logistics for the upcoming signing ceremony of the 1973 Appropriations Act. The discussion focused on locating Alexander P. Butterfield to confirm the status of the legislation and determining the appropriate timing for the event. The participants also considered the necessity of an official photograph session to accompany the signing process.","topics":["1973 Appropriations Act","Signing ceremony","Alexander P. Butterfield","White House logistics","Presidential scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:14:56.712Z"},"topicSlugs":["1973-appropriations-act","signing-ceremony","alexander-p-butterfield","white-house-logistics","presidential-scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":50,"audioFiles":[{"file":"810-005.mp3","bytes":1198079,"durationSec":49.85,"bitrate":192256,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.478Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/810-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/810-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/810/conversation-810-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}