Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 812-004
Date: Friday, November 3, 1972 at 10:19 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Keldysh, Mistislav V.; Dobrynin, Anatoliy F.; David, Edward E., Jr. (Dr.); Kissinger, Henry A.; Handler, Philip; White House photographer
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/812-004

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[0:00] I'm very happy to welcome you here.
[0:06] Let's come over and sit down.
[0:24] We're here.
[0:26] We're here.
[0:27] We're here.
[0:30] We're here.
[0:32] We're here.
[0:33] We're here.
[0:34] We're here.
[0:52] What do you have to do with this?
[1:26] Thank you.
[1:59] Thank you.
[2:22] Thank you.
[2:42] Thank you very much.
[3:03] in space and science come in-house.
[3:09] And I'm going to refer to the health agreement
[3:20] for our policy radio speech tomorrow, as well as for assaulting, for us, the European Security Conference.
[3:31] You'll find it better when you read my speech.
[3:34] It's only one of those.
[3:35] But anyway, I think it's going to be a little bit better.
[3:39] But anyway, the...
[3:43] But on the other hand, we have to realize that in the field of science, in the field of space, in the field of health, in the field of trade,
[4:03] may in the long run, maybe even longer.
[4:05] Because we must have the diplomacy that will avoid military conflict.
[4:11] We must have the limitation of arms.
[4:17] but peace in the sense of simply absence of war is nothing.
[4:23] What we want is peace which is instructive, peace which builds, peace which brings hope, and that would be that we want not just the absence of war and the military competition between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, but we want to expand the areas of cooperation
[4:46] between the great peoples, between Soviet people and American people.
[4:56] And that's why I feel that these other agreements, which are not diplomatic and not military, and which therefore do not get as much publicity, that they are, in my view, equally important.
[5:06] Because we are, and certainly as long as the press leadership has the ideas it does, we have a very good relationship, of course, with the ambassador and his colleagues.
[5:21] While we will have our differences, we are going to continue to resolve them and try to be instruments of peace in the world.
[5:31] But then, if you go from that, that's fairly avoidable.
[5:37] Beyond that, we want to build a positive energy.
[5:42] That's the thing.
[5:42] I think Mr. Gretchen, I appreciate your support, too.
[5:44] We discussed it more in trade than in other areas, but it was equally true in science.
[5:49] You know, space and health and all of that.
[5:56] But it's badly great in both, because the science is now the basis for
[6:06] I think that the cooperation between our two countries is very important because the U.S. is a very big country with a very big population.
[6:32] I think that our cooperation can initiate many international projects and it is quite necessary to have a good cooperation because there are many global problems as environment and also health, as you have said, and on the other side
[6:59] I think that there are now so many scientists of Russia that it is not possible for every country to move the opposite as I understand.
[7:19] project that needs very big facility.
[7:22] So this cooperation can be very useful.
[7:26] Create just
[7:35] The agreement is a national exchange.
[7:38] I think that this agreement very much improved our exchange, our collaboration.
[7:48] But the agreement that we have made in Maine gives very big possibilities to that kind.
[7:56] It was an understatement.
[8:02] I mean, they've been told they're all very enthusiastic.
[8:07] And without being too jingoistic, I think we can say about both of our countries, we're very good at science.
[8:14] You're good at science.
[8:15] We're good at science.
[8:16] So we're not too jingoistic.
[8:18] I think we can walk it back.
[8:21] And the rest of us, you know, of course, I think, for example, we'll be going back.
[8:32] I don't know.
[8:53] I did spectacularly well, and others did not.
[9:22] Okay.
[9:22] Okay.
[9:45] We're going to go forward with a protocol operation on the first Sunday of the week.
[9:48] And I'm just scared that we're going to get lost this Sunday.
[9:57] We, uh, we know, uh, uh, I found you were descending in Hawaii.
[10:00] This is why I'm doing all this today.
[10:02] I'm going to go to three states today.
[10:05] I'm going to go to Chicago, to, uh, Oklahoma, and, uh, and, uh, back to Washington, and tomorrow I'm going to go from there to, uh, New Mexico and California.
[10:21] Where will you be in North Carolina, sir?
[10:24] I appreciate all the people that are gone.
[10:51] so that we can have them received by your people, so in the hospital.
[11:00] And we want to be in the hospital.
[11:02] That's the way to work it out.
[11:03] So that's why when the ambassador calls her, he gets in on it.
[11:08] Why didn't you have that?
[11:10] Why didn't you have that?
[11:14] I put it in the hole.
[11:17] I put it in the hole.
[11:18] I put it in the hole.
[11:20] How many people are in your group?
[11:43] Five, total selection.
[11:45] Four, five together.
[11:46] Four, seven together.
[11:48] Five, five together.
[11:50] Five, five together.
[11:52] Five, five together.
[11:54] Five, five together.
[11:55] Five, five together.
[11:59] I don't know exactly what he's saying.
[12:06] I don't know exactly what he's saying.
[12:11] I don't know exactly what he's saying.
[12:15] I don't know exactly what he's saying.
[12:25] That's why I used the term last time.
[12:30] I am confident that if I don't use it, you know, it's going to be done.
[12:37] And we appreciate your advice.
[12:42] Very good.
[12:48] But after this, we must get on with building the peace.
[12:51] Building the peace, that's the, that's the next four years, right?
[12:55] And I hope to return to the Soviet Union.
[12:56] And we're looking forward, of course, to the visit with Mr. Gresham here that will help to build the peace.
[13:12] I don't care if you work in Texas, and they're going to have differences, of course.
[13:18] But it's good to have places where we don't have any differences.
[13:22] This is Texas co-operative.
[13:23] It's right out there.
[13:24] Oh, wait, wait.
[13:25] Please, please, please, let me understand.
[13:26] You have to understand, you see, that you don't have to know, you don't have to go right to the other side of the church.
[13:31] And they don't have to know anything.
[13:32] They just have to understand.
[13:34] a common lingual language.
[13:37] Something like that.
[13:39] So, again, maybe it was the most important of these agreements.
[13:47] Maybe the most difficult, because other agreements had restrictions of both dating.
[14:08] Well, I know what is very important is having made this agreement and not go to what can be an even more important one, SALT II, and having learned the law, not having even learned to run.
[14:19] But, of course, it is for an ambassador.
[14:23] In fact, in this case, I came to get it finally.
[14:30] It was SALT II.
[14:33] we don't
[14:48] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[15:23] Oh, I want to get you to the highway.
[15:48] The seal of the president is in the flag.
[15:51] And here it is.
[16:37] Thank you.
[16:41] Thank you.