{"conversationCode":"813-005","tapeNumber":813,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-813-005","startDateTime":"1972-11-08T13:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-08T14:14:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Nov-1972","startTime":"8:17 AM","endDate":"8-Nov-1972","endTime":"9:14 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On November 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:17 am and 9:14 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 813-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.1","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part I","chronReleaseDate":"11-Jul-2007","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 813-5\n\nDate: November 8, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 8:17 am and 9:14 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n*****************************************************************\n[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n\n       1972 election\n            -Results\n\f                                               -4-\n\n                                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 813-5 (cont’d)\n\n                    -Illinois\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:14 am.","filename":["813-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"813-004","nextCode":"813-006","transcript":[{"start":3.22,"end":4.77,"text":"It's Illinois, 85% of our time limited."},{"start":4.85,"end":8.14,"text":"We'll be back in a minute."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to analyze the outcomes of the 1972 presidential election. The discussion focused specifically on electoral results within the state of Illinois. The two reviewed performance data and the limitations of time spent campaigning in that region.","topics":["1972 election","Illinois","Election results","Campaign analysis"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:19:31.016Z"},"topicSlugs":["1972-election","illinois","election-results","campaign-analysis"],"audioDurationSec":8,"audioFiles":[{"file":"813-005.mp3","bytes":198962,"durationSec":8.17,"bitrate":194740,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.477Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:38.160Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/813-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/813-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/813/conversation-813-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}