Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 813-028
Date: Wednesday, November 8, 1972 at 12:03 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Higby, Lawrence M.
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/813-028

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[0:03] Mr. President, I thank you for putting me in last night.
[0:11] For three years, I've wanted more than anything in my life to see you.
[0:22] When I sat there last night, just emotionally drained because I couldn't believe it was all that bad.
[0:30] Well, we were all tired.
[0:32] Yeah.
[0:33] You'll find it's going to be tired.
[0:34] You'll find it's going to be tired.
[0:37] You'll find it's going to be tired.
[0:40] Well, as it turns out, we finally, except for the House and Senate thing, which we're going to have to handle, that's a candidate problem.
[0:50] I've analyzed it.
[0:50] It's a candidate problem.
[0:52] Because we had to host attorneys.
[0:54] Because Margaret Smith deserved to lose.
[0:57] Allen deserved to lose.
[0:59] Miller is an ass.
[1:00] Who else did we lose?
[1:04] No, but he had a tax record, and that's a good question.
[1:07] He's a good candidate.
[1:08] And Bob should not have lost.
[1:10] Bob should.
[1:11] Bob's the only one who should not have lost.
[1:12] I don't know what the hell they could do there.
[1:14] He's a cold sore.
[1:15] He's a cold sore.
[1:16] Just finally they ran a goer against him.
[1:19] That's right.
[1:19] We've got a very grand young goer.
[1:20] We've got a young run more like a dimension, more like a...
[1:24] He's the only one.
[1:25] He's the only one.
[1:25] We're up one for the Senate.
[1:27] I think he was dragged onto this.
[1:30] We'll let him get you.
[1:31] We'll get some of him.
[1:32] He had a penance.
[1:33] I mean, he had a problem with that.
[1:35] Thank God we took a vote.
[1:37] You realize now that we took 49 of the 50 states.
[1:40] So that's better.
[1:42] And the bastards can't piss on it too much, can they?
[1:46] No, sir.
[1:46] We have a bigger majority than Johnson, right?
[1:49] Yes, sir.
[1:50] And a bigger majority than Johnson.
[1:52] A bigger total vote, the biggest total vote that we have.
[1:56] Of course, there are more eligible voters, but let's face it.
[1:59] With the polls showing what they were and the blacks...
[2:02] I think it was because they had written off the election.
[2:07] I think that a lot of people felt that if you were re-elected, they didn't have to vote.
[2:13] I think another 5 million votes would have edged our percentage up.
[2:17] I really do.
[2:21] Mr. President, could I ask a question?
[2:23] I forgot to ask you that earlier.
[2:27] Should I have?
[2:28] If you just wanted to, that would reveal one, because there are so many others.
[2:33] Right.
[2:33] No.
[2:34] I'm just saying, I've been taking calls from a number of people.
[2:36] Congratulations.
[2:37] I'm not going to go into it, but that's it.
[2:40] I do think I'll mention that Steve Marge is a state prosecutor.
[2:44] Yes, he's received it.
[2:45] He's going to pass.
[2:47] And it's going to be sure they're wired.
[2:51] Rose, I got trying to get Alex, gets the collection of wires and things that I can take with me to Florida.
[2:56] Right.
[2:57] Yep.
[2:57] But the phone calls that I haven't done, I just can't put you in on that.
[3:01] He's made a great, I mean, he's received a number of calls just for the bad way he's seen calls.
[3:06] I took them last night.
[3:09] How's that, son?
[3:10] Fine.
[3:10] Excellent.
[3:11] Now, you want me to have him in Canada?
[3:14] Now, he's saying, just what we said, him or...
[3:17] You know, Don Rogers made a terribly perceptive observation this morning.
[3:22] Let me get to the figures again.
[3:25] Is it going to turn out about 61?
[3:27] Yes, sir.
[3:28] Or a little less than 61?
[3:30] Not less than 60, I don't know, but less than 61.
[3:34] He gets the merger there, too, which knocks a point off.
[3:38] No, the way the total is presented... Maybe I can't get him out of there.
[3:47] $44,237,000.
[3:47] This was at 10 o'clock.
[3:48] To $27,498,000 to $999,000.
[3:49] That's approximately 95% of all precincts.
[3:50] So it'll go to 45 people or not?
[3:52] It'll go to 45.
[3:53] But you have to change that balance.
[3:55] And that balance, I didn't.
[3:56] What does that figure?
[3:59] It's 61 plus at the moment. 61?
[4:22] Yeah, Johnson is 61.1, Gord at 38.5, four-tenths of 1% to others.
[4:32] So it's going to be, I think the percentage spread will be greater because of Schmitt's 1%.
[4:39] Sure.
[4:40] I think you're over 60.
[4:42] I haven't done it last night.
[4:44] Paul said we were under 60.
[4:46] He hasn't figured it out.
[4:49] Well, maybe, as I say, I haven't done a manatee, and they don't have it.
[4:53] The last projected figure I saw was over 60-foot-two.
[5:01] I would think the last things that come in would be ours.
[5:06] Oh, yes.
[5:06] And then the 5% that's left in the precincts, I think, would tend to be us a little bit, wouldn't it?
[5:13] They'd be in the more rural areas, tend to be, for example, Arizona.
[5:17] We've got quite a bit to pick, 10% of the state yet to come in.
[5:21] The state of Washington, West Virginia, maybe.
[5:27] No mention.
[5:28] Texas will be rural country coming in, which will be a mixed bag, I guess.
[5:33] Depends on which part.
[5:34] It's hard to tell.
[5:35] I would think that more of our vote would yet to be, would yet be coming in than the
[5:42] That is, but it's going to be – It's a monumental – Aren't most people playing the landslide thing?
[5:50] Yes, sir.
[5:51] Is it on the back?
[5:52] We didn't carry the Congress.
[5:53] Well, the call – It's going to be an animal Congress.
[5:57] It's going to be top ten.
[5:59] Yep.
[6:00] Is it going to be on the slaughters?
[6:02] No, they're going to be upgraded because you represent – if we do it right, Mr. President, you represent the new majority of this country.
[6:11] That $45 million, $46 million, whatever it ends up, is the new majority.
[6:18] And his affiliation of the governor, what he stands for, is the case we've got to make.
[6:24] Because this is the point John Rogers made this time.
[6:28] He said party labels are gone in the traditional sense.
[6:32] He said that the reason that you lost Republicans like Miller and Allitt and Boggs and Smith is that they're the old-style Republicans.
[6:40] He said, if you had Jim Buckley's right, you'd be elected.
[6:44] Or Belzano's.
[6:46] Or Belzano's or DeSimone's.
[6:51] They represent the wave of the future of this party.
[6:55] And Don Rogers says, I'm a Bronx Democrat.
[6:57] He said, I know the mentality of these people.
[7:00] They're ready to be taken, but they will not be taken.
[7:07] Larry, Larry, if you get me the briefcase at 4.30, I will, I mean, talk about it at the, getting the latest, I'll write down the sentence.
[7:35] The latest was nine firm, but several in-depth.
[7:40] Was it nine?
[7:41] Yeah, nine.
[7:42] Nine net gain, but several still in-depth.
[7:47] We picked up that one in May, and we've got one in Massachusetts that's uncertain.
[8:01] All right.
[8:04] I can get that for you.
[8:06] No, you can't, because they only tell you how many precincts in each state.
[8:20] Right.
[8:20] This is the same figure you got of 44, 602.
[8:34] Let's talk a little bit, Mr. President.
[8:38] Mine was $44,237.
[8:39] Mine was $44,237.
[8:40] So yours is more.
[8:43] That's not the one.
[8:44] This is 1210.
[8:44] 44602.
[8:44] Webcat 27807.
[8:45] What are your figures?
[8:46] What are yours?
[8:46] 44237.
[8:46] 27498.
[8:47] We're getting about the same amounts here.
[8:48] All right.
[9:04] Okay, Larry, you know what I mean.
[9:07] Sure.
[9:07] We ought to have a California figure plan, but getting all the final state results and so forth.
[9:14] Thank you, sir.
[9:17] Okay.
[9:18] What did you say, Roger?
[9:19] Well, who had signed it, Mr. President?
[9:23] It's a very basic, fundamental, social...
[9:25] He didn't spectacular.
[9:27] He said this is just what he would hope for.
[9:29] He wouldn't walk up to it.
[9:31] He said he had no idea what this was all about.
[9:35] I'm going to be in the new majority, whatever we call it, that you created four years ago.
[9:43] I don't know who it is.
[9:45] I don't know.