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Oh, do you have a bus down there?

Yeah, it's a number 4.

Oh, okay.

As a matter of fact, we were about to have you run over to the office to go to the office.

See, now, you stated which boat you hit, didn't you?

39.

That's nice.

Yeah, it's, you know, it's one of the times, there's two things, there's one battery between them.

I think you've stated, I don't know.

I'm going to, I'm sorry.

the wires and things are coming in.

You know, that she calls her and she could give you little special notes, you know, like people like Ms. Frick and others, I don't know how they handle it, but actually with little letters rather than calls, they're trying to kill me a lot.

I can't take it.

You know, you can't have things that are,

go through that and see if there's anything.

Like you pick out the wires and things and see if there's anything.

I've already talked to them.

Did you look at the ones that were sent out?

I did all of those.

I did all of those yesterday.

So some of you sent papers back?

I finished them.

I just did them.

Now let me tell you, with regard to going to Camp David,

There'll be nothing to do today or tomorrow.

But this is enough that I can get done here?

Well, I mean, yeah.

Whether there'll be anything by the way in Thursday, I don't know.

But I think Thursday will be the first time, because I'll just be there.

I'll just be making calls and catching up on a lot of my things and so forth and so on.

I have a lot of people .

We can send special letters up to you.

I can see all the special letters and things, anything that I can read in my t-shirt.

Let me talk to the mail offices, tell them to pick out those that they think are special interests.

And a lot of those come, a lot of special ones come and just carry my attention, so they come to my office first.

You get a hold of the mail office too and tell them as they go through the wires and so forth.

It's good for me to get a feel of it, and I'll know how to have a better idea of what kind of farm I want to adopt for some of the people in that village.

Uh, she wants to get it re-edited.

I think that's a better question than she should, because she's wondering how she's going to stay here.

That she wants to get it re-checked.

Thank you.

Well, that's what she told me, and I was thinking about it.

I do think maybe a check is better.

If we don't really know that it's got re-edited, we might not say that that's so much cash.

Sure, just give her a check.

Pat said one day that she preferred to give her a check after I said I would give you the money.

Ron, do give her a check, but give Pat.

Just tell Pat.

Pat doesn't need to be confused.

She can use $100 bills in her own operations.

I don't know.

Just tell her to use his money.

Because you know she pays for the hair and all that.

But I don't want you to go out and get them in the back.

No, it is him.

Well, fine.

Can I tell him or not?

You tell her that you're getting this broad $20 bill.

If you don't want it, you can ask her.

She'll be here.

Now, the industry, you find out what she makes.

I don't know how you're going to tell me all that.

On chips, tips, and so forth.

What does she make?

Because I attended.

Do you think we should try, or I'm just trying to think if we can hear this through the mic?

Bill?

You'll hear it.

OK.

I thought we would be meeting this, and I had talked to Stevie Friday, and I didn't want to carry it on.

But you still have to be here.

Oh, yeah.

What?

Right.

Okay, you've got to do it.

We might want to keep her, but I'm on it, but I'm on my own personal.

Okay, we'll see.

Robert, you've got to find out what it is.

Yeah.

And see if you can make it.

Okay.

I'm for it.

Just get her in and talk to her and see how much of what it is.

It's happening that we can make it.

And we'll just do it for the...

I would like to be able to be with you all the time if you want.

Okay, and I'll send you, if they started any little point, I'll send you a copy of that.

I'll see the forms, because they want to know about it.

Those are their best, I mean, they have to be done in a subtle way, and all that.

All right, and I'll tell them.

Very personal.

I'll see the forms on this.

Okay.

I've been left in New York for a day, yes, at last.

And for them, yeah.

By what I get paid out of the meeting, the minute he comes back, I'll see him.

So I'll go around going to Camp David at 9.30.

And I don't want to avoid that.

I need a problem with him and Dr. Rogers together.

So do you think the best thing to do is for you to come up with him?

Yes, I think I'll meet him at Andrews and go up, that's it.

Fine, fine.

I'm going to go this evening because I've talked to him plenty of times.

Two o'clock.

There you go, sir.

You'll get in about 2.30.

So he'll be up at 3.00.

And we can finish and you can go on.

To New York.

That's right.

That is until 7.30.

You see, we want to be sure to now make it clear clear that it's the presidential leadership that's going to commit here and we're just not going to pass around this frankly credited to

Rodgers and so forth.

Because I can see your point of last week, the way they're trying to put out that they're playing the park and they're going to play the park.

And all they've done is put up road blocks.

And therefore, we're going to play this game right out.

Don't you agree?

I couldn't because it's our achievement and we're going to do it.

You know, I'm just saying, you know, we did it because we didn't want to go into it.

I understand China, I understand Russia, but on this one,

As you know, I've been on many trips to Saigon.

Bill, if he didn't rush out of town, he'd have said, he'd have said, a while later, if it passed over everyone we expected to kill, for them to come in and sit here, as if they were working the thing out.

It's ridiculous.

It's even ridiculous to have that attack.

They said it made the improvements.

It made the difference.

They had literally made that one suggestion.

But it isn't.

We say Victoria is the way to handle it, too, and that's why when they get there, we'll have a Latin's picture in the right.

Yes, yes.

Don't you think so?

Absolutely, Mr. President.

Otherwise, I'm here.

I think in any event, Mr. President, you have maintained this whole Lincoln City Group episode on China.

Russia had absolutely nothing to do with it.

You were the one who took the responsibility.

And they went on to say how they had worked a hole in the top and forced me to change my China policy.

You remember that motion?

Exactly.

You remember the hole.

We'll take the business in China.

You were the one that went through the long runs with Joe.

And they put out the word.

Russia, not even to speak of it in Russia, where you...

But actually, you did as much in China.

In fact, in China, it was even more important in many ways because .

That's right.

So I thought about it the other day.

I think in the next term, your primary requirement should be what works most easily in the Middle East, right?

It's hard to realize that you've been through four years.

As you know, from the day you are elected president-elect, you have all the responsibilities practically.

In fact, that intermittent intervening period is terribly difficult.

What I was going to say is that we have survived four years.

And now you've got four more.

They had a great difficulty with the Senate four years that the American history indicates.

They're usually downhill.

And the reason they're downhill is that people go with the same old band captain teams and so forth and so on.

And they don't charge their, you know, people.

And we're in a position to do exactly the opposite.

Because we have fought.

Frankly, just to get even.

That's about where we are now.

We're just about even.

And now, by God, we're going to run our own show.

We're going to get our own man.

I'm not going to have a soul ever in that cabinet.

I'm not going to have a soul in the White House, but it's not totally my man.

Not totally.

And it is in the minute that he decides, it's not my man.

He's out.

I think that's right, Mr. President.

Well, I've got all the other time.

This is the idea on Peterson, which I consider yours is a brilliant one.

You're happy to do it.

that you would be a community and a native of the region.

But I want to say to the guy that you should be proud of.

He has done

And I thought I had to say this about, he has done a superb job in Congress on the foreign economic negotiations.

That's his plan.

But wouldn't you be ready to put a nail in the air if you could get one office?

I think that would be excellent.

You'd get some resistance from SAFE, but I think it'd be an imaginative thing to do.

And if Bush begins to take over, it's more of a deal with Michelle Trump.

I think it's too dangerous to let Peterson, to just throw Peterson out, because he talks too much.

But if you offer him something, in Congress, all we need is somebody who will take direction from the White House on the foreign economic policy.

And that has to be beaten.

But anyway, we're going to be playing all these games our own way now.

You just can't go around and around this track every time and say, good God, I'm going to

How are you going to apply this sensitivity to the State Department and the Defense Department?

It's impossible.

For example, Mr. President, Jerry Schenck had called me the other day.

They're doing a story on Mayer.

Mayer put out a word that he pushed you into Vietnam.

He says that he wanted to pull troops out, that he was the secret of the administration, that he's mainly responsible for everything.

I said, let me tell you something, Chairman.

That's what I said.

Let me tell you something.

Laird was sent to Vietnam two months after the president had already told me that he was going to withdraw troops.

And at a time when I knew the president so rarely, that I had nothing to do, so little, that I knew that this was one of the first decisions he had to make.

But he had to set the framework for it.

as he does everything else methodically, first coming out with a peace initiative in May.

And he was giving Laird the credit for a decision that he had already reached.

And you'd be making a terrible mistake.

I said, moreover, we don't get rewards for withdrawal credits.

But if you saw the memoranda that Laird wrote, compared to what the president actually decided, you would find that, in fact, the president exceeded all the recommendations.

Which happens?

Remember the $150,000?

Every single decision.

No, it's unimportant.

It's only with the president in every other administration that I've seen.

The cabinet members were trying to build up the president.

You know what I mean?

If you think they're real, it's so damn funny.

But I know this is already a shift.

I mean, now the liberals are looking for a way to get a foot.

And then they... How was your reception at New York?

Were you able to get any congratulations over there?

You didn't have any here.

They don't give us from the press or anything.

No, but it was absolutely unbelievable.

I went to the theaters.

I went to the check-in for Saturday night when I got in.

I went to see the play.

And when I got in, they all got up and started applauding.

It was unbelievable.

It was.

I got a standing ovation.

People came up, tell the president.

Tell the president how proud we are.

What a great achievement.

That's New York City, where I used to get food.

I got food.

When I went to see the crowds waiting outside.

But it wasn't to me.

It was really, I was the closest thing.

It's my thing.

I'm curious as to if we won.

To you.

Winning has a great effect on people.

And also, absolutely, yesterday at the Czech game, that was the more elite group.

I was in the director's room.

Okay.

But you should see the way they all hold their heads high now.

But I see now Joe Grant, I haven't seen him, but in his color, red, and they're picking up that housecleaning scene as a sign of strength and imagination.

They need something to get off.

to get off that old line.

Well, this is the thing which I use to exhaust the volcano, and which fits perfectly with this one.

Well, they didn't expect you to come right out today after the great victory.

They expected us just to ride through like Johnson did.

That's right.

They didn't expect a strong... And all this whole business, too.

It's a character issue, well known.

I think they all expected us to stay.

He has to stay.

He said all his associates are shocked that they should be asked for their resignation.

Well, that's one of the things we're going to clean out like...

Depends on who makes it.

It depends on all those assistant secretaries and that kind of stuff.

It won't take this thing ever.

Well, that's one thing we're going to do.

We make this move with racism.

It's going to be with the, of course we can do it on our terms.

It's going to be with the understanding that I have a direct line with the Chiefs and he ain't going to need any.

I've got to talk to people alone.

I didn't never tell people, Henry.

I do, I do with everybody else around here.

It is my style not to want to talk to a group.

I don't sit around and dance around and take a boat.

I've got to talk to more alone.

I'm going to do it alone.

Sometimes I may talk to the Chief of the Air Force alone, deciding that the other First Minister is there to relate to us.

Because I think he's more of an extremist, I think.

Not the heel of the field of play.

Oh, sure.

He's cool.

And that Navy group, that Zimbabwean really is...

I understand.

And he's keeping it up.

I mean, he's doing a big racial thing out there.

Well, it's a big thing of working here about the race thing.

Yeah.

God damn well, frankly, if anything, now let's be quite candid about it, honest, if anything, the problem in the Navy and in all the armed services is that they discriminate too much for the blacks, given the positions they aren't able to do.

And you know, God damn it, they don't have a sub.

That's not what makes it big.

You go to that football game in St. Louis, but you can't put them in command, Mr. Fitzhenry.

No.

Do you know that?

There is some exceptional one, General.

That's all that's interesting.

There was no mutiny on the Navy until they did have so many flags there.

No matter how many, right next to each other, that never happened.

And it is ubiquitous.

It is something I think, you know, as you get, we're almost a week past the election.

If you're going to get here, some of the reactions are broke.

Isn't that forward reaction something?

Have you ever seen the wires for a normal routine?

Oh, you know, in 68 we got a few wires.

This is in 68.

They just break it down.

But, of course, another important psychological thing is happening.

It's in 68.

for the American establishment, you were an interloper.

It was a sort of a preach that you got in, you had no right to it.

Close election, they said.

Yeah, but also they said it's a democratically divided Vietnam War.

But now you've won 49 states.

So when people talk about a mandate and how to translate it to Congress, all of this is really in a way designed for it.

You are now president in a way, as you said yourself, you had to bail out

And it's, in retrospect, inaccurate to me, how not only you survived, but engineered this unbelievable tribe.

Now, they played for a MacGuffin.

Of course they would.

They played for a MacGuffin.

But in July, you were still alive.

That's right.

But when you played the Yankees or Alabama, you always looked back, too, and that's...

The guy got into a whole little fix.

They were beaten.

They were nominated.

He didn't beat himself.

Yeah, but they were beaten on May 8th.

May 8th.

That is true.

If Muskie had been the nominee, maybe he would have knocked out a five for ten points.

That's all.

So we would have won for ten points.

You would have won by a five-hour last slide.

Because we had won a whole solve, plus two, three others, a five-hour line.

You probably would have won more than that.

You would have carried New York, probably.

You would have beat

You have the new American majority.

You have the group you talked to on November 3rd.

You know, if you just think that, congratulations are required.

It shows how, you get a little phrase, how it sticks.

running through many of them.

They go clear back to November 3rd, they said, finding the silent majority, this is the radio, remember that it sounded every, and some of them, of course, with the acceptance speech, we're members of the New American, we're the Democrats, you know, it's good.

But coming back to the Haiti thing, how does it generally go?

Is it the other way, or can't tell?

No, uh,

Chew is playing again in my judgment.

Hey, can I differ a little bit?

Hey, he thinks we should palazzo with him all of this week.

No.

My own judgment is that there's a great danger in it because he'll drag it out.

Then on Saturday he'll tell us he doesn't agree.

Sunday I'll go over.

Now, he's written you a letter.

We've got to answer it.

But it isn't that we have to talk to him.

There's no position we want to take over there.

meets all of the concerns that I think can be met.

Let me say that I just have got to lay it out for him, and that's it.

He's got to quit.

He's got to have the lingerie.

And, frankly, I'm not so sure now, if you were the way that he's acting, that if he goes down, Salvi and I won't still survive.

Who knows?

But it's...

We just cannot continue to temporize with him.

We can't continue to temporize with him.

I think we ought to get it wound up by the time Congress returns.

Oh, Christ, by the time Congress returns.

You've got to have it down that thing, wound up by... We're talking about much southern Atlantic.

We can't wait that long.

That's my... That's my question.

Well, Nate wants us to continue talking to Pew this week and give him precise facts and so forth.

No.

We may.

I don't totally exclude it, but I'm very worried what happens.

He came there with a letter from you.

The letter said, I'll give us an answer.

Well, maybe we've got to send Conway out.

Get a run.

I'd better wait for the next few days.

You can't go over there at this time and not make the deal.

No.

When you go to Paris, you've got to make the deal.

That's right.

But the time to send Connelly if it's needed is after the next round because now it's two.

We don't know yet what Hanoi's got to accept.

And, uh...

Then we know exactly what... Paul D. Lee is set in a very good position right now.

You've got everybody in the town on their ears.

They don't know what the hell is happening.

They don't know what's happening.

That's why he's talking for us.

He's saying that we were right about coalition government.

Right.

And when the Chinese insist on having dinner with us, in fact insist, calling at 12.30 at night, you know that they think it's going to be wound up on a positive basis.

And I say, I don't think he possibly, well, we'll wait and talk to him, but how could he possibly go with another round here?

You just can't have a thing.

Because one time they, everybody would throw their hands and say, what in the hell is this?

Also, it makes us look weak anyway.

Got to have a good look at it.

And I laid out a thing to him.

And he said, he's not, he's not going to, he's not going to bargain with me.

That would do it.

But I think the separate deal, well, I think it's somewhat of an empty can.

I mean, the idea that we may have to deal with the end, but, you know, I mean, it's going to be a very shallow thing.

If we can get the changes that we are now going to propose to him and to the North Vietnamese, I think an already good agreement would be spectacular.

But we cannot get much more.

I don't think we can get all of those.

And to target beyond that is just impossible.

He is reconquering his own territory.

Since June, we've been telling him to get off his head.

So he wants to continue the war until the North Vietnamese withdraw, which means we have to keep clobbering them.

Never, never, never.

And they won't do it.

It's time to stop killing.

That's all.

I just thought it was awesome, I think.

And the war is finished now.

It's finished, and look, the American's mind is finished, too.

That's what I mean.

We talk about horrors and all that sort of thing, and honor.

This is honor, and they are not going to do it.

He's always been making one crazy one about the fact that the Congress is going to pull the plug on him.

Well, he probably figures it's time enough for him to yield when it's all done.

No.

But the...

I think I'm just sending a tough letter.

I think we should have to send him another letter.

Okay.

And then, will you handle while we're gone, will you handle the... Let me say, I think it's very important, because of the sensitivity of this stuff, that not only we put out the fact that you and I are talking, but that you should be at the campaign on occasion.

Okay.

And I could be here for two weeks now, and I went up there for three weeks.

Oh, I want to finish up all this work well.

I know I'm going to there.

so that you don't have to see them again.

God damn right.

Everybody else is going to be going in there and getting what his special deal is.

I'm going to, when I get ready to make these vehicles, I'm going to just put it off full-blown.

You know, we're going to be living all night.

I'm sure we're going to keep it.

I'm just not sure.

I mean, he's a good man, but if I find a better man for defense, we'll put him in.

If you saw the rocket, that was what he's saying.

It's not fair to him.

Let's face it.

Rockefeller is too big a man to basically wait on the road.

And this is something that Rockefeller, of course, has got to have in the back of his mind.

He's got to have... How old is he?

Sixty-four.

Sixty-three.

Sixty-two or three.

He's two years older than you.

Well, hell, I'm only fifty-nine.

I mean, I'm only sixty-nine.

So he's sixty-two.

Sixty-one.

That's not bad.

Ron Fuller has got to have in his mind the possibility that any who gets clobbered in the primaries, that maybe he and older age might still be the fault to pick up on his weakness in that respect as a sophomore.

You see, the greatest strength I have, and any who would have the same strength as we have as sophomores,

I don't think that Dr. Phillips wants anything, so I don't have any evidence to prove it.

I may put him in the cabinet, so you won't have anything to prove it.

My point is that Rockefeller's best bet is to be outside and not in.

So he isn't directly in the confrontation.

Then at the conclusion of his term of governor, then he can take a look at the whole situation, see how it's going to come on, and decide if he wants to come in.

That's when I think he should do it.

I think...

Rockwater also, Henry, would not be happy.

When I remember when I talked to him about, uh, being in the cabin before, he just said he just wouldn't be happy in somebody else's show.

He tried his own show, so, you know, I mean, he's, he's the guy that just free-wheeled over.

I like to say he'd be a disaster.

Why?

Possibly, I wouldn't consider it.

Defense, I don't think he would consider it.

I don't know.

Defense, he could be more of a problem.

uh, on the, on the, uh, on the management side.

And, uh, I don't know, but, uh, he's a strong follower.

He's one of the only two names I've heard, but I'm looking over some younger guys that we can control.

But what defense does he need?

I think he has a major problem in defense.

In fact, that's the eerie phenomenon of the Russian building, building, building.

But in your second term, you may find the Russians attacking the Chinese in either strong way.

Yeah, yeah.

The military are not really under good conceptual control.

The thing, Richardsonville program, is still this to the left.

Well, you have to imagine that it could be a disaster to save someone.

America used to do that.

It should be a disaster at one point.

I think it's not much harder.

No, no, but you have your question.

I'm not going to pick the side of the man there because I intend my one life is to ruin the Foreign Service.

I mean the old Foreign Service.

And I'm not going to have these disloyal, pandering, simpering bastards destroying this country again.

Do you understand that?

I don't know if I know it.

It's going to be done.

But the rifle program, you know what you said.

Rush will take that.

And he'll look good.

And frankly, he'll be a pretty good negotiator.

You never can tell how a man will be when you give them a number once, but what not if it will appear.

Rush is a guy that understands cold talk.

He comes in and says, look, you're out there.

I'm going to tell you.

If I am going to take the responsibility for cleaning out that State Department, then I want to know, then I want him to be my man.

And I said, I'm going to put a man under you who's a son of a bitch to follow and try to do it.

And I said, you're going to do it.

In the Berlin negotiations, there's no question that he programmed beautifully.

And he's got a good mind.

I thought, we won't do much now.

What changed is that he doesn't.

After he comes back here, I suppose he should go over and talk to Roger.

Well, we can talk to Roger tomorrow morning.

I was thinking conceivably of taking him up to New York with me the other day.

Good.

Because what we need the Chinese for is to play the Campodia.

It's to help us make it go to Campodia.

And ultimately...

We ought to wrap this up fast.

There's another reason we missed what was the election.

Let's wrap this up.

Then it puts, it puts us in an enormously open driver's seat, that whole man abroad.

You go into the, you go into the first of the, and it's got to be before Christmas, you understand.

I am on one day after the 15th of December action.

That's what it's got to be.

That's my day.

No, that's exactly my day, Mr. President.

Well, I mean, it's legal sense for that.

And also, uh, uh, Q isn't asking for any more.

That's what I'm hoping.

Now, the survival is all we can demand.

Now, it doesn't depend upon what kind of words are in a piece of paper.

It depends upon the level of both sides.

If you pull off this agreement, if we brief it the way we can brief it, it's a great victory.

Help, help, how did they print that article from the New Statesman saying that we had a big con game because we claimed it was a synthesis when in fact it was a Hanoi surrender?

When we get this idea into the public mind, if we then use the Russian and Chinese to control Hanoi, which we can certainly do with the Chinese, because tonight I'm going to talk cold turkey with these guys.

I have a question.

I'll tell you another reason to take back.

When you talk to them, you'll say, no, gentlemen, I brought General Haig with me for two reasons.

One, he's a friend of the Chinese.

He's there.

As you may have noted, the President jumps in over pumping generals to make him Vice Chief of Staff.

And he is the man, the big man, in our national defense.

The man the President will depend upon.

He is the man that knows what the Russians are doing and so forth.

And they're giving a little laugh about that, and they'll love it.

Exactly.

Let me sit down.

I've got a long flight back today.

Oh, we won't be too tired.

But I'd like to take him with me.

In fact, I have a very nice friend.

Thank you, sir.

You can, as a matter of fact, if you want, if you go to Camp David, you don't need to come back here.

You can go right over to Hagerstown.

You're welcome to come back here.

We'll finish up there in three, four o'clock.

You don't have to come back here.

You can pick up at Hagerstown.

Julie does it all the time.

We don't have to...

So we don't have to come out.

Come out here, then we go from there.

Go up there, get in the room, and rest.

But you said coming back here, the reaction on the arc, it's really... Oh, it's unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Isn't that good?

In fact, you might consider, after you get all of this done,

A, some public appearances in this country, and B, perhaps a trip to Europe, particularly if we get this.

Oh, yes.

But a trip to Europe has to wait until this is done.

Until this is done.

And this public appearance in this country has to wait until this is done.

I'm not going to go out and have any more of these damn peacemakers.

No more.

That's got nothing to do with it.

But I think we can get it done by December 15th.

But we're going to get it done.

We're going to get it done.

Period.

That's just all there is to it.

This haggling around the Jew, it's stinking now.

Goddamn, what kind of a game is he?

Well, I just made one of what he thought all along was happening because there is no difference in our proposal.

We didn't make not one confession.

Let me read, let me read my previous letter and I'll talk to him and offer out the letter.

He'll understand.

Don't worry, it'll happen.

The night will be in there and that's it.

All right.

I regretfully concluded, Mr. President, that we must do this.

All right.

If you do not go along, fine.

If not, we ought to do it another way.

You know what I mean?

Now, let's come along here.

Goddamn it, we put in mutual trust in that letter and everything.

We can't have it.

You can't have any of these little countries taking us around anymore.

That's all stop.

That's all it is.

When you've run the enormous national and personal risk you've run for it, when you did not make one concession during this period,

even when your election was on the line.

So that basically his protection is the international system you're organizing.

It's your willingness to hit the North Vietnamese if they start another offensive.

That's important.

And what the Chinese and Russians will do.

And we will have to be pretty brutal towards the North Vietnamese so that they don't think they can start a big offensive.

So we're going to keep horses in Thailand and a few carriers sitting around out there.

Yeah, yes.

Oh, don't worry.

And that's, of course, the message that you get across.

You know, I say, all right, now, don't ever test this man.

Do you think he was tough before the election?

He watched a lot.

He was the most conciliatory man.

But the...

Churchill made a very, very perceptive remark when he was, basically he was talking about the

and the fate of the Germans to win the first war of the year, World War I.

And when they were moving, you know, through the Shepard plant and so forth, down through the Marne, you know, toward the Marne, etc.

And then, when they got those squeals of cries for help from East Prussia, and they went through two army corps, etc.,

I've lost the word for it.

They were in transit for both battles.

They were in the other battles.

The fight was interesting.

Churchill said that in war, and of course I would add that this is true in politics in life in general, you could use audacity and caution.

That is the whole key of success, success of everything we've done.

We've been cautious at times and salutary at times.

We've been audacious at times, but we've never watered one mountain with the other.

And that is the key here.

And our DLNAs have got it all right.

And right now we're being cautious and salutary.

But you test us.

We'll throw caution to the wind and we'll go hell bent for life.

Right.

That's the line we're going to use with you.

I mean, we've cautioned, we've been temporizing, we've been pat and spanning, but now it's just going to be... Of course, if the North Vietnamese totally sold all of us at this next meeting, then we have a new problem.

Then we may have to go another round with them.

I don't know.

Are the things that are going to still weigh on all that important?

Well, I frankly think not.

I frankly think the agreement we have is good agreement.

I was going to say, after you've finished your, you come up to Camp David and, for example, come up before, when do we announce the?

Friday.

I should definitely come up then on Thursday.

That's convenient.

You should come up Thursday.

And with Van there, we'll take a picture.

We'll take a picture walking through the woods this time.

That would be good.

Then we'll go on off.

Exactly.

Oh, I think so too.

I think that other than that, this is another time.

See, this is another advantage of my being there.

And we don't have one, two.

Rogers and I sit down talking about this goddamn thing.

It's not going to be done that way anymore.

Do you understand?

I have been very willing to do it with the bill because he had to go out and make speeches and he had to have his credibility and the rest.

But right now, Henry, we're going to end this war.

And this is the one thing where the total credit must come to the White House and not to the Department of Justice.

I couldn't agree more.

You agree?

I could not agree more.

I don't do it other than this is the biggest... You haven't done it enough.

You've got all the...

The hot ones, they were all divided.

This is the other way.

And this is the triple play.

By God, we're in.

We are not going to do it the other way.

All right.

We're not seeing anything.

But I'll see you anytime.

And you can arrange to have the...

No, no, I'll take care of it.

Did you, uh, do you have a dog?

Do you have a dog yet?

No, I didn't have a dog yet.

Do you have anything for me to sign for you?

No, I don't.

Good.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Oh, fine.

Good.

Just send them up there because I'm going to be there for the rest of the week.

Okay.

Bye.

Well, I'm sure that you understand what I'm saying.

It just don't have to give her a check or the amount.

And however, when she gives her the check, I think she should tell me that it is a gift.

Let's do it that way and does not have to report this tax.

As far as our tax situation is concerned, our deductions are all used up.

Totally.

Because of the state that's not giving.

So it doesn't make any difference to us to have it as a tax thing or something.

If we clear out the rating thing, then we'll have two persons to care for.

Yeah, that's why this is a gift.

No, that's why this is a gift.

And it is a gift.

Otherwise, we'd have Social Security out on a plane.

It's a regular thing.

So if we work it out...

That's right here.

I just think it's pretty good.

So we're going to go ahead and help us with that down here.

On the right there, I think we'll do that.

And then I'll work out of the next texture of the way that we at least put her on, which is when I'm in the staff.

She gets along really well.

And she's really sort of .

She does, I don't know if that hurt, but she works.

She talks a lot about what it is.

You know, she's playing.

And then I'll tell her that after, that I'll give it back to her to get the right change.

Mr. Minnell, about Frank Bones.

Frank Bones?

Frank Bones.

Died.

Have the Jetstar, the one that's going to take Kennedy up to San Diego also.

First they will land, of course, and then they're coming by helicopter to see me and Kennedy.

Then they're going on to New York.

I want a Jetstar at the nearest airport so it will be easy for them.

Where do you put haters down?

I think it's fine.

I'll just arrange for the Jetstar to be there at a time on standby so that when I finish the thing, I can send them down the hill with me, send them on the helicopter to the Jetstar.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

O'Brien has had a huge number of heart attacks.

Yes, he's starting to skate out because it's very complicated.

It's good that we won.

Yeah, his man won.

Yeah, the people replacing him won, too, so he didn't feel he'd let anybody down like that.

Okay, we'll put a term on the social security.

Well, she wants to, but she's the best in town, by the way.

But if you still want to earn your private pay, well, let's hear it, rather than to go on past that.

It seems to me that putting a hairdresser on past that is going to sound right.

Well, I don't think it will either, Frank.

If Patrick thinks you can do other things, but there's... Well, everybody plans to make a decent hairdresser.

The only thing to do is to, uh...

the rest of the world

that, uh, we have the funds that are available for the service.

That's just, it's the main, it's the way to get past the personal aid on.

That's it, what we'll do is get Comba to put it on and we'll, we'll bring you all or something.

Oh, sure.

The money's relevant.

Just, just, uh, Comba, I mean, is to be a, DeMarco will write the checks.

Yes.

And, uh, to her, she used to be, she used to be a, a person for, uh, for, uh,

Work it out with the marketer that she does.

She's an assistant to Mrs. Next to help her out with various things.

So that she can be, and this is next year, she can't be this year.

We're going to use this as a business deduction too.

And I spoke to that.

Just tell Pat that's the way it's easiest to work out.

But Pat is up there.

I talked to her about all this money.

Get it worked out so that she's off and around.

It's fine up there.

It's fine.

Okay.

Well, I might have to come out maybe Tuesday or Wednesday.

We'll see.

Okay.

But do anything you want around here or something.

No, there's nothing.

Do you want me to stay in the back of the ER?

No, you can stay in the back.

That's fine.