Nixon, Haldeman & Woods on Watergate and Cabinet appointments

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Oh, all right.

Do you want to put it on the desk?

Yeah, I think we should have it here.

No.

Yeah, in the car.

No, it's okay.

Or if you would put it over there and put it on the desk so that it wouldn't mess up the screen.

Yeah, I'll put it on the other desk.

That's nice and done.

And then you put it on the wall.

That's nice and done.

Okay.

He called, but when he didn't tell, all of a sudden, by the drink, he was like, what's going on?

No, it was his box.

It was his box.

Did they get up and turn around?

Or there was a sample, and he pushed it to the top.

That's it, man.

It's a jar.

Hey everybody, what's down?

What are you doing?

The cost is a bit recent.

I think we should buy, you know, about, oh, maybe around eight.

50, I've never seen anything like that.

Do you really see one of the costs?

I mean, the cost goes down, too.

It's a crisis.

I don't think it does, but they're individually paying that.

I'm not sure.

We'll see.

But also, you were thinking about a statewide fund to use as, I mean, new state funds to use as secondary gifts.

Oh, I have.

I've had the vision.

We could buy a few.

Pretty good.

So that somebody comes in like...

I don't know, it might be it.

I'm wondering about the expense.

Those would be very nice to get.

Now, there's some special ones that we want to do.

We can get them all.

These are new ones that we got.

Actually, there's a couple of them, and if you want to ask me, there's the tie-tie.

Or there's a couple of them.

There's ten.

Sure, sure.

Who would you say you'd give it to?

Well, we just got over to see that customer and stuff.

They're already excited to give them some.

They're going to give some to them, but I would get their eulogy to give them, I think, some kind of people who are leaving.

Like Bob Fitch.

Yeah, and maybe Ron.

um and their lives and their lives that everybody won't have they won't run into them um

The trees are only 11 dollars.

That's very nice of the governor.

You see what I mean?

Everybody's got the old Christy's coat.

They're really very good.

That's what I wear.

But they're heavy.

It's quite heavy.

um you know

The other thing is you get one of these 30 or 40 of them so that I can get the very important thing.

You got a, uh...

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

This is, this is suicide.

I, I see.

And that, that's just needed on the account.

It would be set in there, like, like that is, you know, like you said, full box.

And then, you know, that's right.

You get a little legend that's the replica of the, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh, of the, uh,

But you can do it in two styles.

You can do it in the presentation box, and then you can do it just separate.

And you can give it in the box to the .

I mean, you know what I mean?

When they have the box, it's so nice.

The box reset it all the way.

I think that's lovely.

Maybe it's like a very tense box.

You know, so they have different... Actually, I think they did it enough, Rose.

I think that's what I like about it.

And they almost have pretty well coverage of all kinds of people.

You know, the cops, you know.

This is our enemy.

There are kinds of people, celebrities, old friends, supporters, foreign visitors, and so on.

Now this is our base city, Douglas.

The box is another thing that he does.

He's just going to come up and just send a star to the base.

What we can do, we can pack him in a, he's got a bus and he's going to tell us about something that he can do.

This is, you know, this is a little box.

And I know there's a lot of them, so you can display it just like that, I say.

I question whether or not it's what you need to give me.

If I were to give you an empty box, just know that when I get on the stand, they end with the box.

Whoever they are, they're not in my business.

I throw the boxes away and wait until I hear you.

They're not in my business.

Box, box, as much as you start.

Now, they've got to say I've got an empty box or an empty box.

tomorrow and give it to everybody in the box, right?

The whole box.

They're just going to make that up.

They've got the same thing.

One got in the box and the other didn't.

They're all going to take it out of that box.

Believe me, they're not going to put that big box in their desk.

I'm sure of it.

I'd take it out and set it in the desk just like that.

Okay.

That's good.

And you work out with, uh, if you will, Rose, stay in the rest of the room.

I just want to figure out a number.

I'm not going to figure out a reasonable number.

I was going to figure out a reasonable number for busy buses.

I don't think it's more than $300.

I don't want to pick the songs.

I would like a little bit.

Just like the box.

I don't think they have that.

But they just put on popular, like, from the great modern American musical comedies, Oklahoma, King and I, sort of, but the really good songs.

Uh, the, uh... Yeah, well, they kind of made this one, just to show that you could pick songs you wanted to sing together.

Well I don't, but that's got other things in it.

That's got other things, but it's not, well they say, you know, they mean it that way.

Yeah.

But it's a handsome man, that blue goes anywhere, in any room.

That's great.

But you can do it, you can do it in a dark brown leather, you know, I prefer blue.

I think it has, it has what a really good choice on it.

I think blue is better, it shows off better, I think.

This is Darryl Rosenfield with you.

I think it's something that I listen to all the time, giving gifts to.

And I might as well, if it isn't coming to the astronomical amount, if it's in the $100, $200 thing, I might give gifts to that, like to Don and to the Ryans, people like that, you know, I want to give them a nice gift for, you know, close family friends.

I mean, in fact, you might get one too.

A fellow like me, like a father, I mean, people like us, I can't, what do you think?

that we have to give gifts to.

I don't think it's going to be all that expensive.

I think it might be a couple hundred dollars.

I'll let you have it when you come back.

Holder, Eagle is not in New York.

He must be in San Francisco.

What about the apartment?

It's going up, I understand.

He is gone, Captain.

He was just trailed.

I didn't bother to call you back to say that, but he was very late.

Well, that's good.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you very much.

Let me know.

See if we have an officer who can see us effectively the most.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you very much.

It's about as nice as you can imagine.

Really?

They take a little more time.

I don't know about the town, so I don't care if they take a little more time, but they, uh, won't be allowed to stay here except they may or may not take your place.

Oh, really?

So, anyway, that's... How's he gonna go now?

I had a good talk.

So that's not wrong.

Great.

We've got Peterson.

Hmm.

Have you been able to talk to anybody today, Rodgers or Wichelt or any of those?

Yeah.

First of all, I talked to Henry.

Henry called this morning early and said to tell you that the meeting today that they had, which was still, it was all over by then, was a

private meeting of only the doctor Salto, himself, Kagan, and just the four of them.

And he laid the position on private way.

He said, we can't make the decision until the meeting tomorrow, what we do.

And that he said, I don't know what you discussed with me.

He said, you should definitely go to New York if there's nothing to do and no decisions to be taken.

that he has the instructions, he can't apply them until late tomorrow afternoon, and then there'd be no decision to be made immediately anyway.

He's sending a message on today's meeting, but he said, essentially, he'll know right after tomorrow's meeting what, today there wasn't any attempt at progress.

It was a very, as he says, we just gave him a clear explanation of what we were saying.

It was a speech by us, apparently.

He said it will be late tomorrow before he has a reading.

And he says he probably would either come back Sunday or if there's, if they get a session, a couple days' attack, he'll only stay two more days.

About Monday or Tuesday.

Well, I didn't get a true courier message.

Dr. Mitchell, Henry is a disability, but I wanted to be lucky enough for him to be here right now.

But he sounded fine, so I called him.

On the other hand, while I did wiring today, in the extremis, in the orthopedic knees,

if he wouldn't come, wouldn't, if they welshed him there, I don't know where he'd be looking, that, then we would have to consider the option of breaking off the trunks.

And of, or as I would call it, the concentration, and then bomb the hell out of him.

I said, on the other hand, because he is getting, I always suggest, I said, on the other hand,

knowing how his mind works specifically.

We cannot possibly believe in ourselves if we think that we're in a position like the one where we can go to the country as we did on November 3rd and go in and aid pro-class public opinion by jabbing a little by saying,

the public expectations have been raised in such a high degree now that I want to send the last days of the campaign.

But also by this routine, which of course always might reduce, rushing over there to Brussels to meet with the Indonesian, which of course he should not have, he should not be a state person, but anyway, public expectations have been raised that this will be a devastating one, and I think it could well lead to

So I said, while you've got to play it, I said, we had an option to go to the right.

I said, you must continue to play that very hard.

And I sent a message indicating that I was prepared to take that risk.

I said, you have to realize that that option is possibly not there.

which is one hell of a spot to be in.

So Spongy had to be playing Henry Ford.

As a matter of fact, totally, or even partially, yes, partially because of his panic, you know, to get something done, and bringing it too fast, and then bringing it off to the south end, and he's raising the expectation for the election to see.

He, with his seeking of recognition and all the rest, and with his total lack of understanding of the political situation, pushed things in such a way that we made it an election issue unnecessarily.

We could have just kept running.

But it made it a piece of art and continued to hold over the possibility of either one, two, or three, I think.

But back to the lives.

It wouldn't have changed if it had happened in the back of 2009 because it was in my view denial.

As a minor subject, he had not seen it.

Having not seen that, he has now frankly got us a little pregnant.

And there isn't any way to stop it.

We're in a position now where we have to take a deal.

We have to take one.

That means the artist in the queue is not my son.

That's not the son in the case.

That is the problem.

I'm just talking to them.

We either go forward together or we go our separate ways.

I'm very sorry.

Because I am in public now.

Overall, I would accept that, provided we just go on and say, look, we have gotten a recommendation from our Vietnamese, which gives us our business, a ceasefire, and the right of the President to stay in office until the South Vietnamese determine the future of re-elections.

That should be laid down in February.

That would have to be something.

and comes from having obtained that, doesn't feud, wants to obtain more, a ceasefire, and we cannot continue the war simply because of his opposition.

Thank you for your time.

Now, that is the option you presented to him.

I think the public here will accept that.

The reason that it's not a good option, of course, is that if he didn't throw this back,

and refuse that key, it would mean that if they didn't get fucked or be lost.

Because his not going along with this would mean that the Congress would and should have cut off military economic aid.

And they cut off military economic aid, South Vietnam is finished and they're done.

And it's the reason that I agree with Senator Rubio much as you are.

I said, if you were to tell the party of the media that they continue to be interested, because they're even watching on there, October 8th, and you're telling them that I have ordered you home for consultation,

Henry, too often puts this challenge of, well, he turns it down, well, I will have to go talk to the President.

That isn't the way it could be anymore, Bob.

I just got a...

I agree with your consultation.

They've got to get the idea.

It sounds to me like, oh, I've got it.

Well, I'm making comments, and it's like, yep, and if he isn't, it's very subtle.

But I had an excuse not to sit down over there and look over at the basket.

I used to get discouraged about it.

It just got that tongue-in-cheek.

But I think, I think it's impressive.

I don't see a viable option.

There might be some.

There really is one.

When you stop and think about it, let us suppose we get inside.

I think the Congress, in January, Christ, I've got our eyes on the rest.

We give them a free ride.

That's exactly what we said the other day.

The President lied in the election.

He said it's pre-season.

And he's asking us for more money to continue this immoral bombing of the heart.

It's not viable option.

You know you will a country so long against a country dreaded so.

I know that last poll we had in Michigan, if you took on those subjects, that probably hasn't changed much since then.

But I think if you would have put the question in, we'd get a ceasefire.

What's the people going to say on that?

They don't look for it.

About 60% of the Vietnamese worry about Vietnam.

Yeah, I think he'd have a tough time.

Okay, what about nationals?

Say you call me back by hand today.

What he suggested we do is set up a meeting today.

I mean, set up today for a meeting of you with Dole on Tuesday.

So that Dole knows it now.

Then let him get back locked over the weekend.

He doesn't think there'll be any problem.

And did he, did you tell him that he's got to get his own horse?

In fact, Tracy's here.

I thought it was my wife.

Yeah, yeah.

So you've got that special standard, right?

And Conner was a good guy.

He put Dole in position, and Dole's going to have to back down.

He understands that.

He says he doesn't think there's any problem.

He said it's very clear throughout the country that the Senate, through all segments of the party, has heard the change.

And he thinks Dole should know he's got a meeting with you, but he thinks it would be infinitely better, and thinks it would not be difficult to do.

for Dole to come into that meeting saying to you, Mr. President, I believe that you should have a full-time chairman.

I want Dole to recommend it, right?

Now, if he can't do that, then he says, then you've got to go show that meeting, come in, and you've got to tell Dole that you're going to have to have a full-time chairman.

That's what I had to do.

It would be much better to do it the other way, for Dole, for you, and for the party.

But John's going to tell him ahead of time, and that's, you know, speaking of politics, I had to rewrite it.

You know, I had told him, of course, that I would support him in the proper time whenever he decided to run for election.

And, uh, obviously I didn't read it, but his letter, if you go back to California, whatever it is, if you decide to run for office, either in Sacramento or Washington D.C., you'll have my support.

You know, that's the most stupid gun ending I've ever heard.

I suddenly said, you have my best wishes for anything you undertake, and I hope you stay in government.

You know, because we need you.

But you see, what is the matter with Bob?

I think he's his own worst enemy here, Bob.

Really.

You know, that, that would be terrible.

It would give the Reaganites a ring.

And I would regret it the opposite, that he leaves that, and the President is endorsing him for a leader of two offices.

God, that means something.

He could just mind it first.

Sooner or later, he can't.

And I kind of look more suddenly than that.

So, anyway, so much for that.

Do you have any other kinds of news or note, please?

Is there any?

Looking good?

And again, I just talked about, I thought that what ought to happen when I'm done with this, and I'm thinking about the water game team and so forth.

Why the hell would you get Mitchell and John, or you, or Dean, and sit down and trash the damn thing?

I don't know if Dean and I can do that right now.

Let us do it one round first before we get into it.

Here's what I would like to do with it.

And Ray, Ray and Dean, why don't you say something?

But I want you to better hear me here.

I think what needs to be done, and I know everybody says we've got to protect this one and that one and the other one.

The main thing we've got to protect is the presidency.

And on that, we need a simple, clear statement.

And we need it early.

Which simply says again what we've already said, one, by the dean and the report from the president.

For so many years, your request, I have and I have found that there is no present member in the White House who was, who had knowledge of or was involved in the Watergate Act.

You see, I have said that publicly.

I wanted to say it again.

Now, if you go on to say, I have also found that, that,

Uh, that, uh, neither, uh, neither, uh, uh, if he can, that he ought to use the opportunity quicker than it stands.

And

You know what I mean?

To say that, uh, they were not involved.

As far as we have named them, they're not, they're not, they're, because of the, you should say they're, they're going on, especially about the, the, the, my, my investigation in the case that, uh,

that at least says, I mean, maybe you can get that out of the way, that, so that I can, so that we can say, the Secretary said, from their own knowledge, not the two of them, and then the Attorney General mentioned, the former Attorney General mentioned, don't go any further than that.

Don't go any further than the Dr. Bruder, or people like that, and we can kind of get your ass caught.

Now, with regard to this very thing, you should say that, uh,

Uh, maybe that statement has to come a little later.

But it should be one.

Even all of the business about their job is just letting it all hang out, that's fine, some sort of a piece.

But in the end, there may not be that flat, categorical statement.

And I think it's going to come from me, that I have conducted an investigation pursuant to your direction.

I have found that

And then he just picks everything.

He names names.

That the implications, for example, he should pick them up.

That Mr. Holland was involved, untrue.

That Mr. Post was involved, untrue.

That as far as Mr. Cable is concerned, he recommended and so forth, but did not acknowledge or whatever you want to say.

I think that kind of a statement is needed from the standpoint of the presidency.

Now, I don't want to do anything that will harm other individuals if we can avoid it, but you see, I'd like to get a very simple statement of that sort about

That's the kind of thing, you see, that we stand on.

And Sigler says there is a statement that we stand on.

And, uh, uh, now, John Ervin's view probably will be, and Dean's, the lawyer, will let it all come out, and it will be clear that the president is not at all here to do it.

This is a public relations exercise as much as anything else.

He has got to report that pursuant to my direction, he has conducted a thorough investigation of this and has found that.

So forth.

See what I mean?

Yeah.

Yes, there was no White House.

Yes, Senator.

Right.

The White House was not involved.

No member of the White House had approved of these activities.

uh, well, he could say, he said, okay, well, he said, I was taken categorically, Mr. Chapin, uh, uh, at the request of the animation committee, or whatever it was, uh, uh, recommended, uh, a segreting of a job, or, you know, or suggested that they be considered, you say, I guess they say you recruited me, or I say that,

I don't like that word.

He recommended for the position to be considered among others.

The position of conducting, you know, cannabis activities and so forth and so on.

But there is no evidence, whatever, in the case that he directed his activities.

Can you say he acknowledged his activities?

No, he didn't.

Well, you can't say that.

But he didn't direct me.

Really, that's where you get into some shady ground.

What are our plans?

What can we do for Japheth?

He's strong.

Or is that necessary?

Because he's aware of it.

He wasn't as involved in the state when he was cut off.

Let me ask you about, this was in the primary career, wasn't it?

Although I guess, yeah.

I don't know what he did in the election, I don't know what he went on.

I can't play with him, whether he went to the convention or not.

Well, what is your view about Chapin, what we can do to help him stay in his place and so forth?

Because we've got to do something there.

Well, I think he's got to move out.

No question about that.

And, I mean, out of government, I don't think you should just move out of the White House.

I think if you stage it around somewhere else, you've got a problem and no rationality.

I was thinking even that maybe we could go to the foundation, but no, that's too tied into the media.

Now, I don't know whether they would want it.

I know where he'd like to go, and I think where they'd like to have it is a period on this.

So, you know, these new events that they're doing, and that's what Chapin, that's what he's interested in doing when he gets out of here anyway.

Well, we'll worry about him.

I don't know about strong, certainly.

Has he been long?

No, strong.

Strong.

He's a very good guy.

Well, he's much younger.

There's someone younger than Buddy.

Junior.

But we've got to clean the skirts, you know.

The main thing, the thing that early on I talked about earlier that he does not understand, does not get through, is the need, he's taking the legal term, as I normally did, and that's what I felt when I talked to him earlier, there needs to be a clear-cut, categorical statement from Dean with regard to the president, a report with the president, and just saying bluntly, this man was not involved, this man was, and he is what?

You know what I mean?

Yes, it's got to be on the water gate and it's got to be on the spring.

So see, what a conversation.

I keep going through everything.

What Dave can do on that, I heard earlier.

This will be good.

Good.

All right.

Anyone else?

Jerry Ford, we were going to shoot Derby on Monday.

He's not planning to come back until Tuesday.

I'm too sorry for that.

I think we'll try to do the Gagnon thing next weekend.

The shoot will go again next year, Thursday.

Well, is Jeremy going to do the whole thing at once?

Yes.

Really?

I don't know for sure.

Do it with the reels when there's a show.

But the whole thing should hang up there and go over.

And then, uh, you know, I, I, it appeals to me.

I didn't really have, and then going over and having lunch with them and then have them all read, you know, that afternoon.

I think it could make one very, very, you see,

I don't want to go through the business of bringing each other up.

I now present to you this fine, outstanding man who's done this and that and the other, and I want to express my appreciation for your ability.

That will all be covered by the letter.

My view of this is to bring them up and have the chairs all sit next to each other.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe there are a great deal of members in the cabinet.

We are making a number of changes.

that everyone of the, you know, I'll say a word about their great service and splendid cabinet.

We deal with the members of the cabinet.

Some desire to leave, others wonder who got the positions, and so forth and so on.

I now present to you the members of the cabinet for, as I dial the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

and send the word, yeah, maybe send the word.

And then each one, or just Secretary Roberts, let them all get up and sit down and take a picture.

I got it.

Okay.

Let me ask you another way of going at it.

It came up quick the other day.

It seems to me to be open and infinitely better than you presenting the camera.

I love her idea.

I love not to.

I told her and I didn't want to, but he says I have to.

Well, I haven't talked with John.

He doesn't say I have to, so I don't know.

He's always on his feet.

I haven't really talked to him about it.

My view is that what you can do, and you think you can't go to the press without taking questions out of the air.

Well, I can go to the press and I'll take the questions.

I can go there and make an announcement.

Go and make an announcement.

I would do the same announcement.

Set the thing up.

What's that?

Can't take it.

Do this too.

Say take it.

The concept would be that you say to the people you've completed the first level, go around, you've got the decision set, and then you get them implemented with individuals.

They'd be announced in the next few days.

The scan data thing, you know, your process errors.

That's all you do, you don't make any announcements.

Right.

Then the next day, we go out and we start a sideline, and I can do that, and then the pool breaks up.

That's right, the assholes.

That's right.

Let's say that I let them know, okay, I'm going to tell them there's going to be a camera, so they can do it.

Then go and announce that the next day I will present the camera, and we present it.

Say, there will be another announcement in the next few days, then I'm going to do the whole camera.

I do one, you've got a hell of a lot of good stories, and they interrelate in different ways.

You've got one where you do action.

Weinberger and Richardson and Laird and Rogers.

It all ties together.

That's a merry-go-round that ends up a closed end.

You've got another that's Schultz and the Economic Division, whatever, you know, Stein and so on.

You've got another that's the new Commerce Secretary and Peterson.

You're up in Kennedy, you know, get rid of Rumsfeld and that'll be good.

Labor, I thought this is totally, let it ride all by itself.

Yeah.

But after you've done a few of these others, then you've got HUD, and that's about it.

And Colson worked on that contract with Greg Miller.

He'll know the second half.

He's working on the second half.

HUD, rounding, warning, finding bugs, you know, the other things.

Maybe the U.N. will have to do some of these other things.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I think maybe we might as well keep in the news here a few days.

Well, that's it.

One lot, the whole thing.

You're right about that.

I mean, first of all, I think John is saying it was spectacular.

Yeah, but I read something.

You know, John, we had a spectacular.

Well, the other thing is the question, can't they do it or not?

I'm talking about today.

Yeah.

He said, boy, I'm building on funds.

I said, I just buttered him up all the way about how you had said afterwards, God damn it, why can't I get people like that in here instead of the people you keep bringing in, you know?

But he laughed.

He said, well, he's an old guy.

So the person gave him money.

I said that two of them got along very well.

It's obvious, you know, he's the person's kind of guy.

He's going to be damn good in that spot.

That's a great find.

I just poured it all out.

I said, he gave my hell of a charge.

I said, oh, Jesus, I hope not, because he said, don't give that guy that charge.

He goes without even touching himself.

I said, well, that'll all work out.

And I covered the ridges and things so that he understands how it fits together.

He's a lot of things.

That's what I'm going to need.

I asked about the state.

I told them to put Rush in as under, because I hadn't confirmed that.

I said that was probably the plan.

I said that is going to go.

Rush is going to go over there, and I keep trying to be flexible for the time being.

The Rush understands that.

I told him that they need to cover it.

I said, don't let Casey.

Casey's going in as the guy that led the blood.

Rush is going to be the cover for him, and a lot of the substantive stuff, and

All that, and then we're gonna start right away on the changes.

And I said, Casey is just loaded for bear, just like London sits over in the fence.

So he thought that was great.

He had a couple things he wanted to go over with me.

He does want to see you next week sometime.

The Russian gas team, I'm sorry, which he said he mentioned to you.

He's got some information on it.

And sometime later, but everybody's going to go to see him.

Lady Bird wants to be sure we don't shave Hartsock out of the Park Service team.

He's a very able, non-political guy.

I didn't say anything of mine.

What Charlie said, I said, I just listened.

I just told him that they're going to have, you know, we're not going to take her.

We're not going to, no, sir.

We have no good voters.

They didn't keep any of our people.

We don't know Lady Bird.

Not any of the new QR people.

He's going to handle Gene Hartsock as lawmaker.

That's what's happening.

Of course.

B.K.

Johnson, he actually asked if he was going to cover that.

He said, you'll be a hell of a guy going back.

He said, I said, how does this all look to you now as we're going along?

How do we look from the outside?

He said, exactly where you want to look.

He said, stay at Camp David.

and finish the thing out.

Run your cycle like we're going to go to Camp Taylor again.

And I agree with that.

Running the announcements from up there, I wouldn't think so.

But just let them run the thing.

You don't have to have the people with you.

Just put out their bios and all that, and then we, you know, we've got to coordinate everything, which we'll do.

And I trust we'll get to the guy at his home, and that's better.

Let him get to the Bill Clinton Center, Texas, where they've got his door set.

And I'm not even sure that I have to go out and respond to the press at all.

Well, I'm not sure you do either, but I think you might want to leave the groundwork first for what's coming.

I have to say, John, that the capital is starting to catch up tomorrow.

I want you to know about my general philosophy and what I've been doing.

Right.

I'll just talk to them in a quiet, off-the-rack way until one or two minutes.

Maybe take, I mean, maybe just a few little questions from the tactics or something, okay?

That's not bad, if you don't mind.

And you've got some people you haven't just seen, like Jerry Hart, Arch Davis, and some of these undersecretaries.

And if we do the Scali deal, you said you wanted to.

Well, that's for the future.

That's what I thought.

I've got to get away from the knickknacks because the schedules are terribly heavy now.

I've got a lot of other things on my mind.

Yes, absolutely.

Instead of my house, I won't see any other undersecretaries.

Well, I'm going to let Earl do those.

It's not in the treasury.

I think you might want to see it.

All right, well, there's that hell of a guy, and that's a big move, but when I say hell of a guy, I mean, I can't go down the line.

See, there we go, that secretary, that assistant secretary, that's right.

The only ones you might see of undersecretaries are the ones that are the undersecretaries to the counselors, because they're the undersecretaries, basically, maybe, the principal guy, maybe.

And so, okay, well, we're going to plan out on that.

the way that comes out assuming we get rent.

Now, I'm inclined to think you should not go with Mallard on transportation.

Because, uh, you got, at first you got an all-Ivy League cabin.

Except for Brent.

davis and davis and bucks right and lynn was he worked college in ohio or someplace undergraduate so he's but he was hard to graduate you've got uh who you got in mind let's go

Berger, Harvard Law, Lynn, and Harvard Law.

That'd be better, I'd pick Lynn.

Ashton, Harvard, FDA.

Yeah, but Lynn's Ohio, Scandinavian, he's 46, he could be the youngest guy.

He's the only one in his 40s.

And the rest are in their 50s.

Except, somebody said Lynn was a misfit.

No, wrong, wasn't it?

No, sir.

No, no, I said Lynn is older than Peterson.

Peterson's 45 and Lynn is 46.

All right, good.

But, uh, all right, where are you going?

I think we ought to try.

Now, these are, state-wise, they're not too bad.

You've got a few in Chicago.

That's all right.

You've got a few in there.

But go out in the West.

Get me somebody.

Now, Sheltz is a Princeton undergraduate.

Princeton undergraduate, MIT graduate.

Thank you.

Let's get out of here.

I agree.

The bus is Purdue.

Davis is Ballantyne.

Ballantyne, too.

That's all there is to them.

Brandon is City College.

I hate to lose him, but that's, uh... Rogers is Colgate-Carnel.

At least he's not hurt.

That's when it gets down here.

Where else does he go?

You've got New York, Massachusetts, Arizona, Illinois, California, Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, Maryland, and another New York footprint.

So you've got two New Yorks.

That's all right.

And if you put Count Ash in the cabin, you've got two Californians.

What's Ash?

He's with Count Carter.

Harvard MBA.

Go ahead.

Who do you have in mind?

I don't know.

I can't take them out.

I just don't want that much of a Harvard orientation.

I know those bastards to hell with them.

I think for transportation,

a gutsy guy, there was a Frenchman, the former head of the Europe Yards of Dogs and Adderalls.

I never think it makes a hell of a lot of difference who's in there anyway.

I told her, I just don't feel comfortable with you putting punches on my face.

I said, please, it's important.

That's what she said.

I said, I'm just missing one or the other.

Maybe if you want to do something about it, I would love to.

Well, thank you, Mr. Secretary.

No, sir.

That wasn't his deal.

His deal was just that because he knew it was a little bit more important.

I think he got it.

Martin has that kind of relationship.

He needs somebody that is more directly to us.

That's our thing.

That's right.

My name, that's right.

Okay.

The other thing, a DOT, if you, I don't know whether you can put a transportation guy in there, but DeAndre, DeAndre would give you an Italian.

Is he a Catholic?

I think he is.

I haven't checked him out.

And he wasn't.

I know.

He wasn't.

No, but he said he'd bring his money for us.

He did bring, oh, he was for us all the way.

He didn't come on publicly, but maybe that's all right, too.

He was a friend to the regulated utility.

Now, Bianchi is a big, big man.

All right.

Think of that.

Think of Bianchi.

I will think of him.

I don't think the fact he's in transportation.

He had one hell of a conflict of interest, I suppose.

But he lets us sell everything.

He probably doesn't know for a change.

You've got to get somebody to know something about the business.

It's got to be one thing or another for you.

It's got to be transportation sometimes.

Or a manager.

Just a good manager.

You're a good general manager.

I like the sound of the option.

The thing that's wrong with Kip, too, is although he's loyal to you, his first loyalty, his immediate loyalty is to Martin.

Now he's been under Martin for so long, he's got a problem with Martin.

You say that John Mitchell was generally someone who felt he was doing reasonably well at this point.

He didn't do anything about gay life, huh?

Now, as I tried that, he said that's...

He said, well, sure, there's people who say, you know, it would have been nice if we chatted a little bit.

But how do people feel about the other people?

Do you have a sense of connection?

How he feels.

That's what I was curious.

No, no.

Nobody does.

That's a .

I didn't do such a .

He had seen the letter.

He said, in the first place, I put it to him.

And I didn't know he'd seen the letter.

And I called Lenny and had a good talk with him today.

And I said, he's in charge of ambassadors.

Because Mario .

And I said, well, I thought he had something to say.

He said, I thought he had something to say.

I don't want history to be faster.

But let me say it on that note, too, that if you do, for those of you that I grew up with, that's right, I don't.

But what I had is I don't want history.

Absolutely, I want history to be faster.

Would you go ahead and say, first of all, you're misreading how he's slurring and knowing how he, what he's, he's just saying, you know, he wishes that this were all done and that there should be a clear statement.

He said, there is, everybody needs to talk about it.

There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no,

I've seen all that, but I'm, uh, here's, uh, I guess they all know that this is the same part as what it is.

I know they're like, we're in a bunch of things, and I'm not satisfied with what they're doing.

I'm not satisfied with what they're doing.

Now, do you have a call to arms?

Well, I thought about doing it on the phone, and I said, you know, just to ask you a question, I didn't tell him.

He didn't tell me.

I don't want to say that I feel what's in my mind.

I just want to say that I feel incredibly good about this.

You can tell from the way you do it.

The second point, and I think there's nothing to decide about, but the second point is that Monday, then you're ready to go, and then Irwin to Paris.

So I want to give Irwin to Paris, and keep you to, you know, since I don't want to do this, he's got to come to work at us.

This is the one that doesn't, uh, do that.

Where'd it go?

Where?

The city didn't want you to stay down here, so you didn't come down here.

All we're talking is who you are, and you can't stand it.

This is another conversation that's going to start.

We're doing this.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, Josh.

What do you have?

I'm sorry.

I can't hear you.

It's been five days.

Yeah, all that.

If you're concerned about that, you know, want to pay it off, somebody you can call this afternoon, you're on a private place, and they'll get it.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I was thinking about if it is related to John Rhodes' deal.

I thought that I was prepared.

I thought about all the agencies that I've been around.

I just thought about it.

And I just...

Okay.

That's right.

You see Johns?

It's God's idea that the town is all real upset and all the rest of the trash goes to your town.

I just want to be there for you.

I'm sorry about it anyway.

You know how many of us are upset?

How many of you like us?

What do you think?

The ones that are upset, let's say all four of us are upset right now, which of course is not true.

But let's say some of you are going to keep.

And once you keep, we'll either make cases move up.

They're going to be upset.

They're going to be delighted.

The ones that you let go aren't going to be.

So if he's listening to me, you know, I think that's about it.

I think that's great.

I think this is very good.

I think this will be good for now.

I think that's great.

Well, it should be just the presidential appointees.

You know, that, yeah, the key to the will is to be able to plan out who it is.

That's great.

You presidentialists.

Thank you.

Okay, we'll see you later.

All right.

Very good.

Nixon, Haldeman & Woods on Watergate and Cabinet appointments

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