{"conversationCode":"817-008","tapeNumber":817,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-817-008","startDateTime":"1972-11-30T16:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-30T16:49:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Nov-1972","startTime":"11:34 AM","endDate":"30-Nov-1972","endTime":"11:49 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Butterfield, Alexander P.;","description":"On November 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:34 am and 11:49 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 817-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 817-8\n\f                     -51-                      51\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 817-17 (cont’d)\n\nDate: November 30, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 11:34 am and 11:49 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Budget meeting\n             -Conclusion\n\n       The President's schedule\n              -Meeting with Nguyen Phu Duc\n\nBull left and Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 11:34 am.\n\n       George P. Shultz\n             -Butterfield’s office\n             -Possible meeting with the President\n                     -Florida\n                             -Timing\n             -Departure with the President to helicopter\n\nButterfield left at an unknown time before 11:49 am.","filename":["817-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Butterfield, Alexander P."],"prevCode":"817-007","nextCode":"817-009","transcript":[{"start":0.29,"end":2.11,"text":"President, that budget meeting is concluded."},{"start":3.41,"end":3.85,"text":"Oh, it has?"},{"start":3.99,"end":4.63,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.75,"end":5.69,"text":"Just a minute."},{"start":5.73,"end":9.01,"text":"Don't vote for the 12 o'clock news."},{"start":9.05,"end":14.04,"text":"I have somebody else I may want to see."},{"start":14.22,"end":15.26,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":15.56,"end":16.88,"text":"George."},{"start":26.19,"end":27.89,"text":"George Shultz is in my office."},{"start":27.95,"end":28.47,"text":"Oh, I don't see him."},{"start":28.51,"end":29.39,"text":"He's on the other floor."},{"start":29.91,"end":30.71,"text":"I see him right now."},{"start":31.59,"end":31.97,"text":"Right."},{"start":33.51,"end":34.17,"text":"Oh, Alex."},{"start":34.19,"end":34.75,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":34.77,"end":38.88,"text":"I want him to walk out with me."},{"start":38.9,"end":39.02,"text":"George."},{"start":39.17,"end":41.34,"text":"Delay the helicopter."},{"start":41.88,"end":44.82,"text":"Have him to watch his walk with me."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to conclude a budget discussion and review his upcoming schedule, specifically regarding a meeting with Nguyen Phu Duc. Following Bull's departure, Alexander P. Butterfield entered to facilitate a meeting between the President and George P. Shultz. Nixon instructed Butterfield to delay his helicopter departure so that Shultz could accompany him for an informal walk.","topics":["Federal Budget","Presidential Scheduling","George P. Shultz","Alexander P. Butterfield","Nguyen Phu Duc"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:25:33.445Z"},"topicSlugs":["federal-budget","presidential-scheduling","george-p-shultz","alexander-p-butterfield","nguyen-phu-duc"],"audioDurationSec":51,"audioFiles":[{"file":"817-008.mp3","bytes":1229409,"durationSec":51.08,"bitrate":192546,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:58.478Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:39.381Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/817-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/817-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/817/conversation-817-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}