{"conversationCode":"817-015","tapeNumber":817,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-817-015","startDateTime":"1972-11-30T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-30T17:16:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Nov-1972","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"30-Nov-1972","endTime":"12:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:15 pm to 12:16 pm. 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Kissinger.\n\f                     -63-                    63\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 817-17 (cont’d)\n\n       Kissinger’s schedule\n              -Meeting with [Nguyen Phu Duc and Tran Kim Phuong]\n                      -Message\n                            -Vietnam negotiations\n                                   -Settlement agreement\n                                           -Changes\n                                                  -Bilateral deal\n                            -Meeting with the President\n                            -Kissinger meeting with Duc\n                                   -The President’s meeting with Duc\n\n       The President’s schedule\n              -Possible meeting with Nguyen Van Thieu\n                     -Timing\n                            -Settlement agreement\n                     -Purpose\n                            -Settlement agreement\n                                    -Negotiations\n                                    -The President’s retaliation commitment\n                            -Kissinger’s meeting with Duc\n                                    -Negotiations\n\nKissinger left at 12:16 pm.","filename":["817-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"817-014","nextCode":"817-016","transcript":[{"start":0.22,"end":2.7,"text":"President, I have five more minutes with the Vietnamese."},{"start":2.74,"end":4.66,"text":"They haven't gotten through here with their message."},{"start":4.74,"end":9.32,"text":"They've got another three days to know of how they need these changes."},{"start":9.38,"end":11.68,"text":"And I've told them there's no chance."},{"start":12.82,"end":15.52,"text":"They've got only one choice, to work with us or to work separately."},{"start":16.46,"end":19.32,"text":"But let me find out what their additional message is before they see you."},{"start":19.39,"end":23.05,"text":"We need an additional message on that."},{"start":23.81,"end":27.97,"text":"But listen, in reply to what I told them yesterday, after the meeting,"},{"start":30.8,"end":53.14,"text":"the other thing is the more i think about it i think the meeting with him with me prior to maybe a hell of a bomb patrol i've told him understand that with me it was with the clear understanding that i'm not there to negotiate"},{"start":65.78,"end":68.04,"text":"retaliation in the event that we did it."},{"start":68.06,"end":70.47,"text":"I wanted to hear it from me personally."},{"start":70.48,"end":72.97,"text":"I think there is a hell of a lot to be said for it."},{"start":73.05,"end":73.41,"text":"See?"},{"start":74.07,"end":86.74,"text":"I think, and from every point of view, it would be, from a public point of view, I've already mentioned it to him, not because I say that this is something that we have agreement, we want to hear it from him personally, but John, that I cannot"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed the ongoing negotiations regarding the Vietnam settlement agreement and the status of diplomatic communications with South Vietnamese officials, Nguyen Phu Duc and Tran Kim Phuong. Nixon emphasized his firm position that the North Vietnamese must accept the existing terms, ruling out further changes to the agreement. 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