Conversation 818-006

TapeTape 818StartTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 12:31 PMEndTuesday, December 5, 1972 at 12:37 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Taylor, M. Harvey;  Zimmerman, Leroy S.;  Butterfield, Alexander P.Recording deviceOval Office

On December 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, M. Harvey Taylor, Leroy S. Zimmerman, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:31 pm to 12:37 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 818-006 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 818-6

Date: December 5, 1972
Time: 12:31 pm - 12:37 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with M. Harvey Taylor, Leroy S. Zimmerman and Alexander P. Butterfield.


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      Introductions
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                   Tape Subject Log
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                                                      Conversation No. 818-6 (cont’d)


Greetings

1952 Campaign
    -Vice President

Pennsylvania
    -Politics

1972 Election
    -The President’s victory
    -Massachusetts

Employees of Taylor

Gifts
     -Gifts for the President
     -Gifts from the President
          -Cuff links
          -Seal
          -Taylor’s age

1972 Election
    -The President’s leadership
    -Congressional races
         -Republican candidates
         -Pennsylvania election results

Taylor’s return visit to the White House
    -Retirement

Zimmerman
   -District Attorney
   -Age
   -Future plans
        -Judge
        -Money

Nixon’s daughter [not specified]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Oct.-07)

                                                             Conversation No. 818-6 (cont’d)

      Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

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Taylor, Zimmerman and Butterfield left at 12:37 pm.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

I heard him over in 1952.
You better take a picture over here.
Now, did you remember the 52 campaign?
Uh, 52, uh, convention.
Oh, well, did you remember?
I was sitting right in front of you.
You were sitting right in front of me.
You were sitting right in front of me.
I said, you've never seen that?
I've always been the vice president of the committee.
I've never seen that.
You were the man.
You were the man.
That was something.
I believe he was the boss of Pennsylvania.
Yes, he was.
But you'll go down.
This is the boss of the United States.
And when I wear out, the first marigold leaves will still be staying up there.
You'll never have them.
You'll compare them.
Nixon was this.
That was the president.
He had younger tears, but he had white hair.
White hair.
I don't know those girls you had around.
I'm still dead.
I always remembered.
I called out.
Yeah, I called out.
She's a commitment in our district.
Yeah.
Do you mind if I give it to you?
I'm going to take a second.
Sure, of course you can.
You've carried that district 1128 and 325, 803, which are where we live, she and I.
Got it.
Yeah, I know you are.
I know you are.
Now, who sent you this?
The committee woman?
This is...
The committee woman.
I'll get her some.
I want to give you a couple.
And listen, when you carry a district like that, when you carry a district of 830, one voting district, that's what I mean.
How many work for it?
I've got a couple little things for you.
There's the new president.
That's the seal right on the floor.
I'm going to tell her what I paid for it.
Yeah, you paid for it.
I'll tell you.
All right.
Well, maybe you'll give your whole life to politics or something of your own.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
I'm 96, 7 months.
I want to get your signature with mine.
I'll get it for you.
Now, this is only for special guests.
This is the seal with the signature.
You can keep it or give it to one of your girlfriends.
All right.
Now, you come back in one year.
Every year, you're going to come in.
Every time you come in, you encourage it.
You will do that now.
That means in one year, you're going to have a guest.
And I can't congratulate you.
Right.
Nobody ever, I'm an old guy.
Right.
I remember back, you know, for 80 years, you handled this time better than any man ever did this year.
in the United States of America.
I followed up on you.
Oh, you did, didn't you?
Good heavens.
Wait.
I think we're smart.
We probably answered one of the timers.
Well, we had some awesome candidates.
What are you talking about?
So did we.
We had some.
We were apologizing.
I haven't made you sick at all.
When something came close, it's my fault.
They said I can't be running around.
In the 10 counties that I was responsible for, that's what I said.
Well, you just remember now that the day you don't come in, it's going to worry you.
So next one year, you're going to come in.
I'm still there.
You're going to be submitting next year.
I hope not.
And I'll be here two years from now to have you appointed judge.
Do you want me to judge to come?
Let me know about it.
I don't recall you.
I'm 38.
I'll be 38 on December 22nd.
I'll become a judge at this age.
No, no, no.
You should know yet.
I'm going to wait.
You're not too young in years, but I think...
He didn't make a lot of money first.
He was a judge without steel.
He didn't want steel.
We could have made him judge of ice cream first.
But he said no harm.
A judge has to retire from the country.
I still want to take a drink at the bar.
That's what my daughter gave me four years ago.
She had the cruel word of law.
I don't know what I should say.
She's done.
God bless you.
We're so glad to see you.
God bless you.
And happy, Merry Christmas.
Happy New Year.
You know who's your best politician?
Not him.
Not me.
You, dear boy, and I do.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
See you.
Great.
Thank you.