{"conversationCode":"822-004","tapeNumber":822,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-822-004","startDateTime":"1972-12-13T19:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-13T19:57:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Dec-1972","startTime":"2:48 PM","endDate":"13-Dec-1972","endTime":"2:57 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:48 pm and 2:57 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 822-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 822-4\n\nDate: December 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 2:48 pm and 2:57 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Meeting with Dwight L. Chapin and Ronald H. Walker\n                  -Gift for Chapin\n                         -Ashtray\n                         -Chapin’s retention\n                         -National Park Service [NPS]\n                               -White House\n                               -Park police\n                                     -1972 campaign\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:57 pm.\n\f                                           -3-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 822-14 (cont’d)","filename":["822-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"822-003","nextCode":"822-005","transcript":[{"start":1.17,"end":7.14,"text":"Well, he has already."},{"start":23.54,"end":25.62,"text":"and we don't give them anything."},{"start":26.14,"end":27.44,"text":"Point of interest, you might want to mention that."},{"start":27.48,"end":34.15,"text":"What we're going to like to make is that the structure of the Park Service, the White House, is presentation number one, and it's on your calendar."},{"start":35.03,"end":36.89,"text":"And he also has his own police force."},{"start":36.99,"end":38.11,"text":"Yeah, Park Police."},{"start":38.39,"end":38.69,"text":"Right."},{"start":39.15,"end":39.45,"text":"Good."},{"start":39.65,"end":42.87,"text":"He had to be used during the campaign."},{"start":42.89,"end":44.53,"text":"Yeah, and that is something."},{"start":44.59,"end":44.73,"text":"Right."},{"start":45.45,"end":46.87,"text":"Or the other side."},{"start":46.95,"end":47.34,"text":"Any time."},{"start":47.35,"end":47.58,"text":"Sure."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to review upcoming scheduling logistics, specifically focusing on an appointment with Dwight L. Chapin and Ronald H. Walker. The discussion centered on providing a gift for Chapin and reviewing the organizational structure of the National Park Service in relation to the White House. They also discussed the role and utilization of the U.S. Park Police during the 1972 presidential campaign.","topics":["Dwight L. Chapin","Ronald H. Walker","National Park Service","Park Police","1972 campaign","White House scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:30:48.382Z"},"topicSlugs":["dwight-l-chapin","ronald-h-walker","national-park-service","park-police","1972-campaign","white-house-scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":53,"audioFiles":[{"file":"822-004.mp3","bytes":1275159,"durationSec":53,"bitrate":192476,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:59.848Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:40.577Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/822-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/822-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/822/conversation-822-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}