{"conversationCode":"824-005","tapeNumber":824,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-824-005","startDateTime":"1972-12-15T18:54:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-15T19:04:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Dec-1972","startTime":"1:54 PM","endDate":"15-Dec-1972","endTime":"2:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 15, 1972, Alexander P. Butterfield and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:54 pm and 2:04 pm. 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Finch\n                  -Staff\n                  -Timing\n            -Reception for 1972 election supporters\n                  -Hand-shaking\n                  -Public statement\n                         -Public address [PA] system\n                               -Alfred Wong\n            -Cabinet dinner\n                  -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n                  -William P. Rogers\n\nButterfield and Bull left at an unknown time before 2:04 pm.\n\f                                             -67-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["824-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Butterfield, Alexander P.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"824-004","nextCode":"824-006","transcript":[{"start":10.49,"end":13.31,"text":"I don't know how many you're going to see at Finch's staff, but I just gave them a schedule."},{"start":13.33,"end":15.29,"text":"Are you coming back today?"},{"start":15.33,"end":16.75,"text":"Too much."},{"start":17.01,"end":18.17,"text":"Not today, no."},{"start":18.48,"end":18.64,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":18.75,"end":20.18,"text":"Well, unless it's for today only."},{"start":21.26,"end":21.74,"text":"He goes at 2.30, 6 to 4.30?"},{"start":21.8,"end":21.86,"text":"No."},{"start":21.92,"end":25.5,"text":"You wouldn't want to do it at 4.30, would you?"},{"start":25.54,"end":29.59,"text":"I hate dating and stuff like that."},{"start":29.63,"end":31.15,"text":"You'll feel... Is this the last day at Finch's now?"},{"start":31.17,"end":31.27,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.31,"end":31.91,"text":"Thanks for the invitation."},{"start":35.1,"end":38.04,"text":"and then we could do it at two o'clock in the afternoon."},{"start":38.06,"end":38.54,"text":"See you next year."},{"start":38.66,"end":40.66,"text":"I'll see you at two o'clock."},{"start":40.68,"end":41.86,"text":"Do you have any presents to shake hands with?"},{"start":41.88,"end":41.94,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":41.96,"end":45.91,"text":"Just to shake hands with."},{"start":45.97,"end":46.43,"text":"Shake hands?"},{"start":46.47,"end":53.41,"text":"I just want to confirm with the company staff that we're not going to speak."},{"start":53.75,"end":54.67,"text":"We're not setting up any P.A."},{"start":54.73,"end":58.17,"text":"We want you to sit down with people and do good."},{"start":58.25,"end":59.87,"text":"No way you can set up a P.A."},{"start":59.89,"end":60.95,"text":"You can set one up inside."},{"start":60.98,"end":61.44,"text":"It sounds good."},{"start":61.48,"end":62.3,"text":"Say something."},{"start":62.31,"end":63.22,"text":"Good night."},{"start":63.24,"end":63.56,"text":"Good night."},{"start":78.96,"end":81.44,"text":"Has the vice president accepted that thing yet?"},{"start":81.46,"end":83.27,"text":"I guess he hasn't."},{"start":83.62,"end":84.79,"text":"For what?"},{"start":84.81,"end":85.31,"text":"That cabinet dinner."},{"start":85.33,"end":87.43,"text":"I guess Rodgers is the only one."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Alexander P. Butterfield and Stephen B. Bull coordinated logistics for the President's upcoming schedule, including meetings for Robert H. Finch and a reception for 1972 election supporters. The discussion focused on the necessity of a public address system for the reception and clarifying the guest list for a planned Cabinet dinner. They specifically noted the status of RSVPs from Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and William P. Rogers regarding the dinner.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Robert H. Finch","White House logistics","Public address system","Cabinet dinner","Spiro T. 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