{"conversationCode":"825-005","tapeNumber":825,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-825-005","startDateTime":"1972-12-16T14:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-16T14:58:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Dec-1972","startTime":"9:50 AM","endDate":"16-Dec-1972","endTime":"9:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:50 am and 9:58 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 825-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 825-5\n\nDate: December 16, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 9:50 am and 9:58 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Meeting with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew\n                  -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n                  -Henry A. Kissinger’s schedule\n                         -Note from Haig\n\f                                               -7-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 825-5 (cont’d)\n\n       The President’s memorandum to Kissinger\n            -Change\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:58 am.","filename":["825-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"825-004","nextCode":"825-006","transcript":[{"start":2.18,"end":7.15,"text":"I think he's going to get heavy on that."},{"start":7.29,"end":10.81,"text":"Well, maybe he's going to get a little bit."},{"start":11.53,"end":14.45,"text":"And this will change."},{"start":14.49,"end":17.54,"text":"Look at the words."},{"start":19.98,"end":20.44,"text":"Why?"},{"start":21.5,"end":22.14,"text":"See where I see it."},{"start":22.66,"end":25.72,"text":"So now I'm going to start changing it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to coordinate his daily schedule and manage administrative details. They discussed upcoming meetings with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and reviewed the scheduling for Henry Kissinger. During the discussion, Nixon focused on revising specific language within a memorandum directed at Kissinger.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Spiro T. Agnew","Henry A. Kissinger","Administrative coordination","Memorandum revision"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:34:24.442Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","spiro-t-agnew","henry-a-kissinger","administrative-coordination","memorandum-revision"],"audioDurationSec":31,"audioFiles":[{"file":"825-005.mp3","bytes":739754,"durationSec":30.69,"bitrate":192811,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:59.848Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:41.152Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/825-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/825-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/825/conversation-825-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}