{"conversationCode":"829-029","tapeNumber":829,"conversationNumber":29,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-829-029","startDateTime":"1973-01-02T14:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-02T14:28:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Jan-1973","startTime":"9:03 AM","endDate":"2-Jan-1973","endTime":"9:28 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:03 am and 9:28 am. 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Warren\n            -Press inquiries\n                  -The President’s eulogy\n            -Religious service\n                  -Dean Francis B. Sayre\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:28 am.","filename":["829-029.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"829-028","nextCode":"829-030","transcript":[{"start":3.28,"end":7.86,"text":"The way it should have been handled, and I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been, is it very simple."},{"start":7.92,"end":11.92,"text":"It should have been made to the crew and family as to what the hell this thing is all about."},{"start":12,"end":14.44,"text":"And apparently nobody knows around here."},{"start":14.46,"end":17.02,"text":"See, this is being handled from the White House, correct?"},{"start":17.28,"end":18.73,"text":"Are we having a service for this?"},{"start":19,"end":20.99,"text":"We have anything to do with it?"},{"start":21.09,"end":23.35,"text":"The State Department is working on it."},{"start":23.37,"end":25.11,"text":"I know, but this is not the White House."},{"start":25.19,"end":27.81,"text":"There's nothing to the State Department, necessarily, anybody about it."},{"start":27.91,"end":30.65,"text":"No announcement has been put out as to what service it is."},{"start":31.41,"end":32.59,"text":"Well, what is the situation?"},{"start":32.61,"end":34.67,"text":"Well, I'm trying to find out what official announcements we put out."},{"start":34.69,"end":43.15,"text":"So Jerry Warren mentioned that eulogy only within the context of what questions were being, the type of questions."},{"start":43.17,"end":43.91,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":44.45,"end":52.67,"text":"The answer is, of course, the answer is, well, I do have to ask the State Department, and I'll ask you as the Trump knows that, but we don't get that statements."},{"start":53.69,"end":54.23,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":54.25,"end":59.77,"text":"It isn't a question of whether I'm willing to be, the question is whether I'm"},{"start":61.67,"end":62.22,"text":"They're relevant."},{"start":62.36,"end":64.74,"text":"If the family doesn't answer, they're going to have a religious service."},{"start":64.9,"end":65.26,"text":"Correct."},{"start":66.12,"end":69.78,"text":"So why is the question being asked?"},{"start":70.6,"end":76.87,"text":"Jerry, I asked him the question, and I think he was just trying to respond to the question you asked."},{"start":76.95,"end":78.53,"text":"What type of questions are being asked?"},{"start":79.52,"end":88.6,"text":"I think it's pretty well understood that the services are going to be active while the only eulogy will be delivered."},{"start":88.62,"end":95.69,"text":"Like we need to say, it'll be a religious service, just say it'll be a religious service, and the only eulogy will be delivered."},{"start":96.37,"end":97.33,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":98.31,"end":99.45,"text":"Something like that."},{"start":99.79,"end":101.87,"text":"Well, I think we understand."},{"start":107.83,"end":111.11,"text":"I don't really believe it's on our back."},{"start":111.41,"end":117.72,"text":"It was more of Jeremy mentioning that question."},{"start":120.58,"end":120.91,"text":"I'm kidding."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to address the lack of clear White House coordination regarding the upcoming memorial service for Harry S. Truman. Concerned by potential confusion and mishandled press inquiries, Nixon questioned why the State Department appeared to be leading arrangements rather than the White House. He directed Bull to clarify the situation and coordinate an official statement to ensure the public understands the nature of the religious service and the planned delivery of a eulogy.","topics":["Harry S. 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