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Start Date: 3-Jan-1973 4:19 PM

End Date: 3-Jan-1973 5:05 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

832-010a.mp3

832-010b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 3, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:19 pm and 5:05 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 832-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 832-10

Date: January 3, 1973
Time: Unknown between 4:19 pm and 5:05 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

       Vietnam War
            -Bombing of North Vietnam
                -Hospital and airfield
                      -Call from Spiro T. Agnew
                      -Defense Department
                      -Punishment of pilots
                      -Kissinger's conversation with Melvin R. Laird
                      -Inadvertence
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Oct.-08)

                                                       Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

     -Negotiations
          -Tone
          -Political points
          -International commission
                 -Independent monitors
          -Four-power commission
     -Bombing of North Vietnam
          -Press coverage
                 -Punishment of pilots
                 -Compared to Da Nang rocket attacks
                       -Pham Van Dong

Kissinger's meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
      -Leonid I. Brezhnev summit
            -Nuclear treaty
      -Vietnam War
            -Settlement
                   -Moscow Communist Party chiefs
                   -Brezhnev’s commitment
      -Moscow
            -Tricia Nixon Cox’s visit
      -Vietnam War

Vietnam negotiations
     -Possible failure
           -October 1972 agreement
     -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
           -Funds cut off proposal
     -Conditions
           -Option two

Kissinger’s meeting with Dobrynin
      -Andrei A. Gromyko
            -Berlin
                  -Josef V. Stalin
      -Martin J. Hillenbrand
            -Disloyalty
            -Message to Bonn
            -Departure
            -1972 campaign
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Oct.-08)

                                                      Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

     -Ambassador to Germany
         -Businessman, lawyer
         -[David] Kenneth Rush
         -Foreign Service
               -Disloyalty

Congressional relations
     -Kissinger’s meetings on Vietnam
           -Republican Congress members
           -Mansfield
                 -Telephone call
                        -Funds cut off
           -Carl B. Albert
           -Congressional leadership
           -William S. Mailliard
           -Number
     -Kissinger’s statements
           -The President’s instructions
                 -The President’s bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
                 -Peace with honor
     -Congress’s motives
           -Publicity
           -Access
     -The President’s meetings
           -Albert
           -Mansfield
     -Gerald R. Ford
     -Hugh Scott
     -Mansfield
     -Republican leadership

The President's bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
     -Talking points
           -Preparation
           -Schedule
           -Vietnam settlement
                  -Honorable peace
                  -Cease-fire
                  -Prisoners of War [POWs] release
                  -Paris negotiations
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Oct.-08)

                                                    Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

                 -Future developments
                 -Ronald L. Ziegler
                 -Serious negotiations
                 -Future actions
                       -Bombing of Hanoi
                       -No comment

Bombing of North Vietnam
    -Hospital
          -Punishment of pilots
                -Press commentary
                      -Double standard
                      -Compared to Cambodia
    -Laird
          -Published list of targets
                -Advantages
                      -Civilian targets
                             -Ziegler
          -Report
                -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
    -Moorer’s report to Kissinger
          -Air Force pilots

Vietnam negotiations
     -Option two
           -Viability
           -Bombing of North Vietnam
                 -POWs release
           -Problems
                 -Press coverage
                       -Destruction
           -Support of Congress
                 -Funds cut off
           -Domestic strain
     -Option one
           -Thieu’s agreement
           -Future problems
                 -Compared to Option two
                       -Abandonment of past positions
                             -Vietnamization
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Oct.-08)

                                              Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

      -Thieu’s preference
      -Achievement for US
            -Thieu’s response
      -October 8, 1972 agreement
      -Bombing of North Vietnam
      -Compared to October 8, 1972 agreement
            -Thieu’s acceptance
      -Kissinger’s conversation with South Vietnamese ambassador
            -Early settlement
      -Possible overthrow of Thieu
      -Bombing
            -Impact in US
            -Compared to May 8, 1972 decision
                  -Invasion by North Vietnam
                  -POWs release
            -Viability
      -Thieu
      -October 26, 1972 cease-fire announcement
            -Compared to October 8, 1972 agreement
            -Consequences for Thieu
                  -Possible overthrow
      -Option two
      -International control agreement
      -South Vietnam government’s acceptance
      -Signing procedure
      -Demilitarized Zone [DMZ]
-Option two
      -Vietnamization
      -Bombing
            -POWs
      -Domestic effect
            -1972 election
            -Press relations
            -Congress
            -Bombing for POWs
      -Mining
      -Bombing below 20th Parallel
      -Residual force
      -Bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong
      -POWs
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      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Oct.-08)

                                                Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

      -Bombing below 20th Parallel
             -Effects
      -Press relations
-October 26, 1972 agreement
-Kissinger meeting with Thieu
      -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Kissinger’s travel
      -Hanoi
      -Seoul
      -Allies
      -Bangkok
      -Vientiane
      -Hanoi
      -Saigon
      -Timing
-Bombing halt
-Haig’s trip to Saigon
-Thieu’s reaction
-The President’s announcement
      -Participants
             -Congress
      -Possibility of failure
      -Thieu’s signature
      -Thieu’s possible actions
             -Resignation
      -Ellsworth F. Bunker
-Option two
      -Domestic and foreign challenges
             -Golda Meir’s visit
             -Middle East initiatives
             -Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China [PRC], Latin America
             -Defense Department, State Department
                   -Reorganization
             -John D. Ehrlichman
             -George P. Shultz
             -Europe
             -Dobrynin
             -Gromyko
                   -Hillenbrand
      -Effect on foreign policy
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Oct.-08)

                                              Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

       -Soviet Union, PRC
       -Congress
       -Press relations
-Option one
       -Risks
             -Collapse of South Vietnam
       -Compared to Option two
             -Unsatisfactory settlement
             -Lack of Congressional support
             -Limitations
                    -Bombing below 20th parallel
                    -Mining
                    -Residual force
                    -Viability
       -Kissinger’s view
             -Loss of war
       -Mining
       -South Vietnam offensive operations
       -Collapse of Thieu’s government
       -Kissinger’s support
             -Antiwar opposition
             -Soviet Union, PRC
             -May 8, 1972 objectives
             -Earlier settlement
                    -Advantages for Thieu
             -Thieu’s reaction
-The President’s action in October 1972
       -1972 election
-Kissinger’s conversation with South Vietnamese ambassador
       -Congress
             -1973 Inauguration
-Settlement
       -Controversy
       -Difficulty
             -Timing
-Option one
       -Compared to option two
       -North Vietnam’s objectives
             -Halt of military operations
             -POWs
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Oct.-08)

                                                             Conversation No. 832-10 (cont’d)

                   -Political recognition of North Vietnam
                   -Opportunity for Thieu
                   -Thieu
                   -Thailand
                   -Indonesia
                   -Negotiated solution compared to “budget”
                   -Future of South Vietnam
                          -Communists
             -US goals
                   -May 8, 1972 speech
                   -South Vietnamese resistance
                          -North Vietnamese reaction
                                -Return of POWs
                          -Survival of Thieu’s government
                          -Option two
                   -Domestic problems
             -The President’s schedule
                   -Kissinger’s schedule
             -The President’s statement
                   -Bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
                   -Press release
                          -Ziegler
             -Kissinger’s return to Paris
             -PRC and Soviet Union position
                   -Robert S. Elegant
                   -Dobrynin
                   -European security conference
                   -Middle East
                   -Nuclear treaty
             -Kissinger’s meeting
                   -PRC

       The President’s schedule
            -Haig
                  -Departure

Kissinger left at 5:06 pm.
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Oct.-08)