{"conversationCode":"833-004","tapeNumber":833,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-833-004","startDateTime":"1973-01-04T13:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-04T13:50:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jan-1973","startTime":"8:46 AM","endDate":"4-Jan-1973","endTime":"8:50 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On January 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:46 am and 8:50 am. 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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"833-003","nextCode":"833-005","transcript":[{"start":3.56,"end":4.86,"text":"I had a call on Bennett Williams."},{"start":4.88,"end":6.08,"text":"I thought you should know."},{"start":6.1,"end":8.46,"text":"I had to go through a very curious route."},{"start":8.58,"end":19.87,"text":"Bennett Williams was writing me a letter, and I got this particular warm note thanking me for my support of the Red Sands."},{"start":19.89,"end":28.65,"text":"And he said, I wish you a very warm hand and a very happy and successful New Year and all that sort of thing."},{"start":28.67,"end":30.37,"text":"The point of the matter is that whatever"},{"start":38.6,"end":46.73,"text":"very tough very tough to say you know what i mean"},{"start":59.22,"end":62.12,"text":"So forth and so on."},{"start":62.2,"end":65.71,"text":"Now, we have a little fewer cooperation because we're going to play this way."},{"start":66.53,"end":69.8,"text":"You know, there's nobody that can play a better than the president."},{"start":116.27,"end":120.73,"text":"I think that there are other items that he may be interested in."},{"start":120.85,"end":122.49,"text":"Look, after all, he knows who we are."},{"start":122.51,"end":123.29,"text":"He knows Texas."},{"start":123.31,"end":125.45,"text":"He knows a lot of other things."},{"start":126.19,"end":127.87,"text":"He has interest in the world of residents."},{"start":128.41,"end":129.97,"text":"He does not want to be announced."},{"start":130.07,"end":131.68,"text":"The post, I just put a code for you."},{"start":131.7,"end":134.6,"text":"We understand you represent the post."},{"start":134.66,"end":138.74,"text":"And this is probably not very prominent sometimes."},{"start":140.9,"end":142.78,"text":"You know, we all have our plans."},{"start":142.86,"end":143.9,"text":"You got that right?"},{"start":143.92,"end":144.52,"text":"I believe in that."},{"start":144.54,"end":144.9,"text":"That's what's"},{"start":148.02,"end":161.53,"text":"Well, we don't do a lot of pay to hire."},{"start":161.61,"end":171.7,"text":"We represent the folks, but when the guy gets into the political thing and gets into these personal attacks and all the rest of it,"},{"start":180.93,"end":184.61,"text":"I'd rather just say the president has known him for many years."},{"start":184.71,"end":187.46,"text":"In fact, McCarthy had great respect for him."},{"start":188.2,"end":197.43,"text":"And I frankly was rather hurt by the fact that he did wonder what the hell it was up to."},{"start":199.01,"end":199.31,"text":"See?"},{"start":200.06,"end":203.47,"text":"I know it, but as I said, he just started to get rather puzzled."},{"start":203.83,"end":208.89,"text":"I said, I can't believe he'd have any part in such a thing."},{"start":208.93,"end":212.24,"text":"He could represent a clan."},{"start":212.26,"end":214.24,"text":"That's one thing."},{"start":214.94,"end":216.2,"text":"Okay, you see, okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss efforts to cultivate a relationship with attorney Edward Bennett Williams, emphasizing the necessity of discretion and indirect communication. 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