{"conversationCode":"838-001","tapeNumber":838,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-838-001","startDateTime":"1973-01-11T13:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-11T13:36:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jan-1973","startTime":"8:29 AM","endDate":"11-Jan-1973","endTime":"8:36 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:29 am and 8:36 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 838-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 838-1\n\nDate: January 11, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:29 and before 8:36 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull at an unknown time after 8:29 am.\n\n       President's schedule\n              -Meeting\n                      -Timing\n              -Inauguration\n              -Conversation\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:36 am.","filename":["838-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"837-006","nextCode":"838-002","transcript":[{"start":0.66,"end":7.57,"text":"Good morning, Mr. President."},{"start":7.61,"end":10.85,"text":"The meeting with the three councilors is not a good idea, sir."},{"start":11.43,"end":14.89,"text":"I don't want to be able to do it this afternoon, sir."},{"start":28.66,"end":31.65,"text":"I'll try to follow up again with that, but that would be not very helpful."},{"start":31.67,"end":32.11,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":32.13,"end":32.23,"text":"It is."},{"start":32.35,"end":33.73,"text":"My last three days, sir."},{"start":34.41,"end":35.38,"text":"My last three days."},{"start":35.55,"end":36.2,"text":"I'll see you."},{"start":59.2,"end":59.41,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed logistical adjustments to the President's upcoming schedule, specifically regarding a proposed meeting with three councilors. Nixon directed Bull to cancel the meeting, deeming it unhelpful for the afternoon agenda. The discussion concluded with a brief exchange regarding the President's itinerary for his remaining days leading up to the inauguration.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","White House operations","Inauguration planning","Administrative logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:54:57.237Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","white-house-operations","inauguration-planning","administrative-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":64,"audioFiles":[{"file":"838-001.mp3","bytes":1548790,"durationSec":64.41,"bitrate":192356,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:59.848Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/838-001.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/838-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/838/conversation-838-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}