{"conversationCode":"839-004","tapeNumber":839,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-839-004","startDateTime":"1973-01-23T13:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-23T13:32:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jan-1973","startTime":"8:30 AM","endDate":"23-Jan-1973","endTime":"8:32 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:30 am and 8:32 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 839-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 839-4\n\nDate: January 23, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:30 am and 8:32 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       The President's schedule\n            -Republican leadership of Congress\n            -Bipartisan leadership of Congress\n                  -1973 budget\n                  -Roy L. Ash\n                  -Vietnam\n                  -Location\n                  -Discussion topics\n                  -William E. Timmons\n\nBull left at 8:32 am.","filename":["839-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"839-003","nextCode":"839-005","transcript":[{"start":8.38,"end":10.56,"text":"Yes, sir, we just have one attempt now."},{"start":11.03,"end":12.25,"text":"Oh, ah, before you get started."},{"start":12.27,"end":12.53,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":12.57,"end":33,"text":"Yes, the attempt is to submit the details of the initiative and the bipartisan initiatives this week, with which, uh, we need to, to question what the outcome of the initiative would be if everything proceeds accordingly."},{"start":34.12,"end":41.54,"text":"On Wednesday, we would have a discussion of 73 budget compilations with Gloria Nash."},{"start":41.56,"end":42.04,"text":"Excuse me."},{"start":42.64,"end":43.7,"text":"Not this week."},{"start":43.73,"end":45.01,"text":"Not this week."},{"start":46.23,"end":48.63,"text":"Next week."},{"start":48.65,"end":55.05,"text":"You mean this is tomorrow?"},{"start":55.07,"end":55.73,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":56.19,"end":57.97,"text":"You mean tomorrow, with regard to the..."},{"start":71.63,"end":72.29,"text":"What was today?"},{"start":72.79,"end":80.18,"text":"Today's series."},{"start":80.3,"end":80.5,"text":"Please."},{"start":80.52,"end":83.75,"text":"Please cut that."},{"start":83.77,"end":84.27,"text":"It's abused."},{"start":84.37,"end":84.73,"text":"It's not safe."},{"start":84.75,"end":85.03,"text":"It's not safe."},{"start":112.06,"end":125.6,"text":"Now this is where it's quite partisan."},{"start":197.14,"end":197.58,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate scheduling for upcoming meetings with Congressional leadership regarding the 1973 budget and legislative initiatives. The discussion focused on finalizing the timing for bipartisan briefings and clarifying the involvement of Roy L. Ash and William E. Timmons. Nixon emphasized the need for caution and political strategy in handling these sensitive materials to ensure the information remained secure.","topics":["1973 federal budget","Congressional leadership","Presidential scheduling","Legislative strategy","Roy L. Ash"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T00:57:18.154Z"},"topicSlugs":["1973-federal-budget","congressional-leadership","presidential-scheduling","legislative-strategy","roy-l-ash"],"audioDurationSec":220,"audioFiles":[{"file":"839-004.mp3","bytes":5276559,"durationSec":219.72,"bitrate":192119,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:59.849Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/839-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/839-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/839/conversation-839-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}