On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:41 am and 12:02 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 844-004 of the White House Tapes.
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I'm going to ask you a lot of questions.
I ask Bob about better.
Is that you and Richard, anybody else on the ship, did you set a time box in the railroad station?
You don't know what I'm talking about, do you?
No, sir.
If I did that, actually, why don't you do the same thing?
much as I can be, and I'm pleased to say as tightly as I can on time.
I know Haldeman did.
I did.
Earlyman did.
Well, I've talked to Henry over and over again, and I'll talk to him again, and I trust he did not.
... ...
I think it might be the look the polls
There are people you run into in the lobbies, people you talk to, people in Florida, everywhere.
They're not talking about Henry.
They're talking about the settlement of the presidency machine.
And, uh, I do think, Alex, that, uh, this is something that Henry very definitely has an obligation to.
I have another question for you.
You know, you were talking about how you're treating your people and how you all should, I read, I read it in regards to, in regards to, in regards to that hour and three-quarter race, you never lose the job, do you?
See,
I know you didn't have much time to talk to me, but I'm going to be honest with you.
I got so keen to have you go on a program that I don't do the kind of training you do at the present moment.
I mean, that's already a great point to agree on.
And, uh, for him to just go in and take the agreement with all the rest, for him to roll his eyes and say, well, I can't judge the police with an arm, but with a beast, arm as a judge, and so forth.
But it did not help.
Now, Henry doesn't have any intention of suffering.
Henry is trying.
And Schenker really isn't one son.
He's being full of tension.
You know?
But you see, Mr. President, the thing that cannot overlook
And that's why they turn so quickly on Henry.
The thing that, you know, during his run period, the thing that we cannot overlook is the fact that the press know exactly what Henry's doing.
And there's another guy who talks about it in the press room, and writes about it, and you're looking for it.
And if you listen to Listenor on the Anonski show, I'm not talking about the fact that Listenor steps up and...
He says, you know, things out of character for him about you.
But they recognize this.
And the thing that Henry has to realize is that they recognize him doing it.
Now, of course, he's still the way he was.
Exactly what Henry's doing.
In other words, he doesn't, the way he perhaps would have thought of him, he'd have been at both camps.
But the press realized that that is his motive, that is his objective, to do that.
And by saying this, Mr. President, I think the only point I have to make here is that it is not the long range.
So the circumstances, they won't let him get away with it in the long run.
They will in the long run.
I would love to see him get away with it.
Well, I mean, he goes out and tries to speak both hands and makes him appear that he's got this very insane murder daughter here in the White House.
He's trying to keep him calm down and so forth.
Well, he's negotiating a very complex case.
Well, actually, it's just what we do.
We're, uh, I keep a few calls, uh, and Bob, you've got to tell Henry that if you didn't read the message that he sent for December 18th, and it says, Henry, that's not going to get out.
I've got to get it out.
And, uh, I'm going to be sure to text this, uh, I don't know if it's going to really help, uh, if you didn't read it before you went to the Congress and the rest, I'm sure it'll be the next big one.
Why did you tell us to do it over and over again?
Now you want to raise a question to tell us who is it?
Okay.
Now we're calling in.
Then I say, I think we just need to call him.
This won't make sure we do it, but we need to do it.
All it does is push, uh, he goes on and on and on, right?
He says all the time that I don't mind his doing it, but he cannot do it.
So, uh, by pushing me down, he must not do that to the president.
Yeah, I've got to live with him for a year.
He doesn't.
Well, as to what that reason for the press was, I had a surprise to give to Colson and all of them, and I just saw that.
I mean, I intended, I intended, when I read the news account, that when I read it totally, I don't think she read it totally, I think she was there, but she read it totally.
That, that break is accomplished.
Any of the goals are trying to accomplish it.
except it's been a long, oddly good to be effective.
Protocols are good.
The agreement's good.
But he did not state on his file that he did not use them.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
not to talk only about Vietnam and the Vietnam stuff, but to talk about foreign policy, print Vietnam, and following Vietnam.
Now, if there was ever an opportunity to put the whole foreign policy thrust into the next few years, get the proper perspective,
Relating Vietnam and the settlement, in the proper perspective, and Henry doesn't have to get into the thing he hung up on.
Okay, I get it.
You're driving me totally crazy.
Why?
Followed by the other.
That's programmatic.
It doesn't mean a shit.
We don't need it for our policy perspective.
We don't need it in China and Russia and Vietnam.
That's a refutation.
And it can't be... Read it carefully.
Read it carefully.
It can't be very nice.
because they didn't talk about the substance.
They talked about the man.
I've gotten that leaked out to the defense, and we all agree with some of them.
I don't think we should end up elending my inspection.
But, for example, here again, this is a reason to check their piece.
I gave all that time to Hunter, and what they did was make a confession about the announcement or something like that.
I had plenty of stories about the announcement, and it was rather effectively done.
The reason for the crime is that it's not right.
I can't get on.
Oh, maybe, maybe, uh, maybe go to the fall.
I don't know.
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Oh, you know about the map?
We've got a map of how you've been there.
I have been right on the east.
On the Hong Kong side, I've just been looking over it.
And the whole thing has transposed.
And that all comes true as well.
It'll come true.
I think I had a better notion of it than there really is when you were talking to me back then.
I'll never forget it.
Because it really struck me one day, something you said, somewhere, and I was never a part of it.
I said, Henry, by the end of this second term, he's going to fly in and he's going to have a good attempt.
That's pretty far fetched.
I'd say if he wants, by the end of the second turn for me, I'll bet him by the end of the first turn, he'll be a trip to Russia, and by the end of the second turn, he'll be a trip to China.
And Henry found that basically inconceivable.
It's quite an idea.
Oh, we're trying to take it.
Which, of course, the stack fires and all the rest are supposed to get on our line.
They're never going to get out.
Oh, I've been seen to God's end.
I've been the one that's conceived with it.
I've put Henry all over the house.
And I wrote about it in 1967, before you mentioned it, and we, because, but the point is, uh, I, uh, that I don't think Henry Glenn on the Marmotel program had exposure about the next policies that were advanced.
If he can't get out and talk something about the fact that we have stood up strong, hung in there, and all that sort of thing, that's what he should be able to do, but we won't do it.
The real question is whether the other side of that cone is, if he won't.
If there's any chance of it doing it, it's worth taking the chance.
Yeah, it won't do it by that much harm, because they're on the right anyway.
What I'm saying, I'm telling you all, I mean, they're all...
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
Margaret Walters.
The session was turned on by somebody who wanted to talk to other people.
Now that, did we do what we came to take on some of this?
I'd rather think of it that way.
You have to take the use.
To take what's in front of us.
Use it as an order.
They want to talk to me because it is this road.
We need to go on to where it is tomorrow.
I want to just breathe.
I have to carry on with Instagram.
Alright, here he goes on the gas.
how we build the candidates, how the Russians think, and what we're doing in the committees.
And finally, we've got Vietnam and all that sort of thing.
It's only going to be a great exercise.
I've been over it before, and I think there's an all-in with that leader.
And he knows the other line, too, because when you sit in here and talk with him, you know, you have to see that when he stops it, it's a pattern.
And ring up, because whoever he's with, he does the same with the left.
He's with them.
He matters to them.
It's a pattern that we all do.
Here he says, look, it's a question of trying to do the thing that's inaccurate for me.
But the fight is, you've got to realize it's a totally cynical way.
that our ability to do things, to do good things for all people, depends on whether or not, not whether he looks to them, but whether the president looks to them, because he's a strong man who makes decisions in a rational way.
That has not been written by one single son of a bitch.
Oh, yeah.
That's in a full column.
I mean, that's why the father says, well, it's a secret to a couple.
That hard to find.
Richard.
Richard.
Baker has it.
Well, it's not so common.
It's not there.
At the end of the day, Richard's available.
Well, I mean, also, if I have it, I'll tell you.
It's a process, man.
And lots of them.
Well, they have gone through, you know, the courage of the president.
And Bill Hurst.
Well, he's going the other way.
It's not surprising.
It's here.
So thanks to the battery on that car, well the battery is 6% American people think it's about 7 gallons, 42 gallons today.
I mean, I know you're trying to get through, but my point is, the way you're going to get this through is not get any process through these other guys, the scallops and the rest.
They can't read that.
The scallops can't.
The others can't.
Don't let them try to understand.
Don't help them read all this crap.
That's just all.
I'm just saying, I'm always worried about them.
They're not your job's kids.
Just forget the kids.
Would that be helpful?
Yeah.
If you get them all across the coast in an aircraft, that's stupid.
Oh, that's fine.
Go ahead and do the CVS one.
Because I'm very, very worried.
If you don't have that on CVS, it's not worse.
So why not have Henry on?
Well, Henry won't do any harm.
No.
No, the disappointing thing is that he doesn't do any of these things.
that begins to erode his potential for guns, but he is, by a thousand times, the biggest, best gun we've got if we just get into the shape.
If I don't rock it, where?
There, that's pretty good.
Yeah.
So, we get no shows on Rogers.
But it's, you know, another crack again.
It's another drop.
We've got to drop all the drops in the bottom of the ocean and start running that off and running into the earth.
That's what we want.
Right.
Rogers, all of us, have used, the Rogers have used, the whole damn thing.
Hague.
Hague, absolutely.
I'm trying to get Hague on this inspection.
But have Hague free.
I really feel Hague free.
Free our own.
Hague, our own tigers.
Other than that, we've got to get out of this.
We don't have a path.
I think we've got several of us.
Your father was a parent.
We've got a family.
I mean responsible steward outside the door of the jail.
But if, you know, we might have some common types of rights, we have a clause that might be just, if we look at the rights, if you're proud of that, you know, they were just trying to, you know, the guy who writes, it's not the substance of the witness, but, you know, justification of the war and the sense of why the president had to hang.
I mean, it wasn't, you know, the reason for the girding and all that.
They all came to be returned to God.
We've talked about it.
so that somebody can understand it, but who can write it, they say it very easily.
And we've got, we've got a need in Reader's Digest, which is also where we want that.
We're telling more people, well, we can use Constar, we can use anybody we want.
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Provided I don't have to come out and face the cop, I don't have to be positive.
They say he does.
I don't think he does.
Okay.
And what about that?
Cops can do it.
We tried it.
That's fine.
We tried it.
That's a good idea.
The other thing is that I logged on to them just now and got a very positive response.
And I think that we can be effective if there's a lot of folks.
In other words, I was picking that guy up and doing the inaugural speeches and doing that kind of a book on the Vietnam speeches.
Those, you know, these were the honors for me.
And, uh, you know, a lot of times it is, well, he's got the next inaugural, first inaugural.
And I just got to copy the book.
And as he was trying to describe it.
But that, I don't know, maybe he could expand it.
I don't know, but you can't say, here's where the radio is, they've seen her and given him the job.
No, but you see, he's been a terrific on substance, but, but, but he's not basically the kind of, he's not a big law on the base, because I was asking for his base about substance, but I had a little deal with the lawyer.
But the other guy who has both of them both have been working with him, but he can't have detected the person.
He received both of them, but he didn't use them.
No, he didn't help them.
sure because the inside guys work with a lot of you know that water well the very important part of what they think is that you've got to look at this law i agree that you're not going to be able to do all this short range if you go to your brother or anything i don't know it's not the front stuff and all that stuff but i think you're going to keep at this because that's the hardest
No, no, no, I talked to Tim before and I talked to him again this morning.
He will not be sighted.
You agree with this?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
I don't know.
You know, there may be a time.
No.
No, sir.
I agree.
The point I was struggling with to try to make before is the fact that the gesture thing falls within the short range.
Pardon me.
Sure, of course.
And it does.
That's the other point.
And he can do it in the
show if he will do it by talking about not only the whole Vietnam thing and the president's hanging in there on that, but also the significance of the president's foresight and the vision of dealing, you know, doing the Vietnam, the PR, the first thing.
Well, the problem is figuring out the solution is the problem.
He's got a horse to solve a problem.
He's staying on that horse to fight.
And then he goes, and he's got to get your back.
And then he's got to start talking about this fight.
This fight, what they did here, what they did there.
And he feels emotionally about that.
He can just let himself go.
I'm not sure he's being cool, though.
He will not.
There's times when the president doesn't know why he doesn't.
He knows.
He feels that way.
He will not get drunk.
Well, he's been very valuable in accomplishing all of the goals along the way.
You know what I'm saying?
And I don't remember this except myself.
I covered all of this campaign and before as you expected.
He had a position where he could probably tell a lot of people about the idea that they were speaking to him.
The great mistake we made in Korea, the great mistake we made in Vietnam, was that we furnished the man, we furnished the materials, we furnished the arms, we furnished the goods.
And I said, now it's got to change.
We will continue to burn down there.
But others must bear the sacrifice of the men.
It's got to bite them.
So the next adoption was not doing wrong.
We had been fighting over and over again in the campaign to take the situation with regard to the Russians getting into the war.
I hope I
Harry, when he goes near this box, when he goes to the trunk of the house, he, through years, there's a book about this.
In fact, it was followed in the 1950s by the rest of the world as well.
Now, this is the one that is the most important piece.
Now, we've got somebody out there in the box, and we've got somebody in the environment.
And there's a good connection to it.
That's the reason.
You can't have the understanding of the organization.
It's been around a long time.
You have to understand it to be quick.
I'm glad that they can probably be better off taping the time.
No, taping the time.
Yeah.
Then he should tape.
He should tape.
I don't know.
He's better off live.
It's great.
He doesn't need to be there.
But if you've got him live, he's more published on it.
And it isn't quite the same.
If you've got him live, it's going to be a little sharper, a little quicker.
that's what they're trying to get at
I may be naive, but I would hope that Henry would understand this and do it.
Even just a little bit.
because it's such a natural setting for them to do it.
I think however,
I think more than anything else, another good down to heart .
How does that make you afterwards to go back and notice, how do you say it?
Nothing else matters.
You're just saying what we got from each other.
The process is all been covered and that's what they're interested in.
Well, he also, Bob, I think, should be told that he has a certain obligation at this point
That's what we're saying.
Let me just make a point.
This might be done from another standpoint, because with this upcoming trip here, with all of the vision, the focus of attention on this upcoming trip,
This has to be put back into proper form now, or there will never be any catching up with it.
I'm not being, I'm not trying to be realistic here.
I'm not talking about...
The fact of the matter is, Henry has asked you about this,
period, a very, very high profile, which has been there.
His trip to China and all of the high profile on the negotiations.
At this point now, after the settlement, if he moves on his upcoming trip again at a high profile, then this line to the left is going to have a better chance of setting in.
And I think he must understand that, Bob.
This is a good bridge to come through.
I mean, it's leading up to Brooklyn for me.
So... You've got to get it right now, because he talks to that little guy.
He talks to all of our friends.
Henry, Bob, is basically the sort of sense of self-awareness that he has.
And really, he has to always be reassured that he's secure.
That's why, when he's all in, he talks about himself.
He'd come in and talk about his daughter.
I think he'd sign about a man.
I think he'd sign about a man.
He's never concerned about the fact that my daughters, for example, go through, go through and tell, you know, all these things in terms of stuff.
But that's to tell you something about his problem here.
He says, tell him that he doesn't need it that way.
Sure, he'll talk about, well, it's a scary story.
But when he gets out, when he gets out, his liberal friends believe him.
I'll bet you two of us that he talked to Shepard.
I disagree with that.
He did talk to Rez.
He did talk to Brad.
I'll let you let him talk to Shepard.
I think we should end on a ball game with that.
For example, rather than coming up with the idea to talk to the Crosby and Elliman at the start, he gets on the Creswell, doesn't know his ass from first base, about 40 miles, very bright fall.
But it is not anything compared to noise, and noise has been our friend since Creswell was not there.
So I live in a noise, right to the far out of the national park.
Now he's getting on the Crosby.
Good luck with that, Reed.
I don't know.
I don't want you to do a thing to see if I apply to do the credits tomorrow at about 11.30.
I don't give a shit about 2 p.m. papers tomorrow, right?
So at about 11.30, you're going to be delayed.
You're going to go out to the press room or you're going to come to the office, right?
I don't want you to go out to the press room.
I don't want you to do it.
I don't want you to do it.
Can you do it in another way?
Start doing bird locations?
Of course, this morning, an officer told me we have to do one house in two remaining years.
One of them is related to another group of men from this year.
Two men all came to do one house?
No.
No.
This is not the time set for it.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for watching.
That's why you've got to have a product.
You've always thought it's like a movie, like a little joke.
You've got to listen to the song.
You've got to listen to the song.
The only way to do it, the only way to do it is you've got to rock the place, people.
And it's got to be that long.
Apparently, God would not have occurred to me.
Excellent suggestion, but he should be on the checklist for that, sir.
He's around about there.
This cold is going to leave that one where he's just going to stand out in the bus.
You have to get a professionalist, you have to get a perfect assistant.
I think you're quite, very solid in this, too, I'm telling you.
Well, that's OK. As long as it doesn't become an excuse for not getting something done today.
Because the long-term battle, you've got a year point three on the .
What you don't get done today, you won't get done in two months.
So that's fine.
Because what we need is a penalty on the right column, actually.
I want you to talk, as I said, to not just Ron, to Ron.
I, Ron, who else is different will be in a good regard to what we do about time, medicine, depression, and so on.
Everyone is good.
He didn't mention the secretary.
They got the little girl with her napalm.
I suppose we are concerned.
We just need to change that.
You're right.
So, if I take this matter, do you agree that... Nobody said that, right?
Well, it is a battle, I think.
Well, the argument is that there was a... Yeah, that's the story that we're going to run.
And there was no way we could get through that.
How could I?
That's very patient of you to tell me.
I just really thought that this was bad.
I don't know what I think.
Just cut them off.
Now I think, earlier we should have discussed the actual thing.
We should have talked about the issue of what in the hell good is to do when you tell people to move it out and have drinks so people won't have to drink it.
We should have said it out and said it about all those assholes.
Just let them get too busy.
And particularly this fall, I had a chance when I had to go take him out there.
He's just too goddamn busy.
And so he's not, nobody can go to their dinner, but they can that.
He just gets, and there's a bunch of places
He's a big man.
Big man.
He's a big man.
He's a big man.
He's a big man.
He's a big man.
He's a big man.
What's the deal?
No
What do they think?
Well, we've got to do tonight.
Very high point.
is where, and then they argue with the liberal press, obviously they've got to play it, run it straight out, so we've got to, we've got to outlast that, and combat it, turn it, uh, which is a real coincidence.
They can't actually, they have made the point that, you know, we, we bought it through the editorials, and out of the 2,000 newspapers in that country, major papers have supported the president, and his editors,
People would think that we'd be slobbering at the mouth waiting to get to town.
And because of self-indication, they supported Virginia Tech's three-line.
Now they can run out and play, and they can just, like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
I said, okay, Chuck, let's go to the week later now.
We've sat here for a whole week.
Those are daily papers.
They have seven chances to write that in the drawer.
We have to make sure I know today, every day.
Maybe they have to.
That's the other thing.
We don't really know yet.
There are some.
You made the point very well.
but it's the place those are our people we can't even get our people going with us how are we going to turn around fighting on the left-wing press and the td comes and hinders the water i mean i raised your question
We can shoot him out of the sky.
Isn't that what you noticed in the chair?
Oh, yeah.
Good.
You wouldn't notice it except for the fact that it's a great chair.
It is.
And look, it's got a nice color on it.
Yeah.
But what do you think of it?
I think it's great.
It is huge.
Yeah.
It's got a great...
It's got a great...
It's like a...
It's like a...
The other...
It's like a little cat's chair.
Yeah.
The other is too small.
You're right.
More like an office.
A doctor's office.
No, no.
It is.
Yeah, I would like that.
Just didn't highlight that, that other shirt you have is, is me not getting kind of that, the headline on the inside.
But that is, what about shooting him out of the sky?
I thought, I thought that, I thought that at all.
Well, I mean, that's pretty good.
On the basis that, that, that, you know, what, what, what is that possibility?
If we're not getting this story across, because Henry won't fit, there's another way to get it across, and we can get it all over again.
By shooting Henry out, by taking Henry home.
My thoughts are, how did you do it?
How did you do it?
We can do it in the background.
It wouldn't get as much attention.
I could do it.
Like how?
What would you do about it?
I could do it.
It's part of it.
It's not going to be on the inside here.
You could call me a surgeon.
He would say, he's astonished.
But I wasn't.
He wouldn't blame me for it.
He would say, but I don't see a parent.
It's interpretation by the crowd.
So it's like Dr. G is just a physician.
And I just want you to, uh, uh, quote something that Dr. Kissinger said during some of these events.
I was there when the president was giving tables at Camp David, and, uh, and I was around one point in time, and Henry Kissinger was running in and out of the office there and was saying, uh,
And I can't understand why this depression is being created now.
It's not as bad as Dr. Gistner's.
It's not fair to Dr. Gistner to be saying this kind of thing about a client.
And then, three little figures.
Yeah.
And so don't.
I mean, I've, I've, I've seen that in purpose.
We kept pretty careful with stuff during that period.
But there was a question as to if we should have done it.
And we were worried about him psychologically and a few things like that.
And, uh, the problem is where you've got lines, you can't, you can't destroy them.
You don't want to be in the hurt zone.
There was a man who doesn't understand the point that you had made, which Henry apparently will one day agree to this, and we've got to consider it.
I was happy to enter your facility as soon as I could meet you.
As far as I can remember, you should be gone.
You know, I mean, let's face it.
I could meet you at your facility as soon as I could.
There's another reason for that, Senator.
I mean, it wouldn't be as good of a reason if I converted him.
I mean, he's a great buddy of all of you.
Well, he's good.
He can't work with me.
But actually, you guys can handle it.
Toby is not.
Toby is not.
I was so small about it.
Henry doesn't.
Great.
That's all.
That's all I had.
I converted him.
he really is he's harder to watch on the internet and he's uh he knows all that stuff Bob Henry's playing a double game here he's playing a double game
I don't think it's intentional though, in the sense of, I don't know, Batman has said to himself, I'm going to play a double game here.
I've got this terrible Jewish lady, I've got a pen, and everything else is with, and I'm just paying to be likeable to everybody.
I just can't be likeable to everybody, I just can't be likeable to everybody.
Okay, so now I'm dealing with your son of a bitch.
Thank you.
Thank you.
He'll argue that he performed a great service by being our cruiser to the west, but he will again argue that that's not true.
Oh, sure.
He tells me that's what the checker is lying about.
He said it didn't constitute an action.
It's true.
It's true.
Oh, I think he probably did, but I don't think he did it recently.
That's what the checker is talking about.
Well, I'll tell him to stop with that.
He's going to be in charge of that.
He's going to be in charge of that.
I understand that may be the very reason I can get a charge of this for her.
But the fact is, my wife is a dog.
She is.
I think this is a decent answer.
But it's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's a wrong side of the law.
And that's the truth.
Because that's the truth of all of it.
You know me.
We all wake up in the night, and we keep pushing the tiger in the corner, and it gets more and more vicious in the corner.
It gets tighter, and it doesn't understand.
The point that I'm taking on is definitely the way to get attention, the way to get our story before the people.
The problem is Henry had an enormous faculty of his own.
This is derivative, but it's there in his life.
The problem is, what are we going to do?
It's a circuit.
I think it has to be considered a desperation, but it has to be done after all those sales are done.
That's a first-hour approach.
I don't think it's all that much of a problem.
The better, I think, to get him to try to, you know, come out and say the right stuff, because I think, and he can't do it.
One thing that concerns me a lot is the way he looks at us.
He watches his mail.
At least a hundred letters, he would come in and tell you that he was outraged and said, I've always admired you and so forth and so on, but I just didn't think you did very well.
I think a little of that right now could come in.
I think a few letters come in and then around, we admire what you've done and so forth.
Your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your,
Uh, your president's bullshit, I agree.
But without the president's courage, it could never have been accomplished.
That was the instance as well.
And that is something Dr. Chester will be saying sometimes when you're on call with him.
Is that correct, do you think?
Sure is.
It's a good idea, isn't it?
Do you think he reads his mail?
Yes.
I guess that letter is right away from, you know, sort of the ancient type of thing.
I'm pretty sure it's a lawyer.
I don't know.
Maybe it's true.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, let me say, it's a pleasant battle to have a fight in this way.
Yeah, and we're just talking about the nature of our...
I mean, I don't want to be...
I don't want to be denying it.
You know, there's a fight we have with the Google Play.
I mean, I just can't remember.
It's not...
So forth and so on.
It's just that our whole people have got to have confidence and support and stay along.
Well, this is the one thing that worries me about the switching on this one.
What we've got to do is, we moved hard after the election.
We moved hard after this.
One of the things is, one hand just hit me on the heart.
He said, you people don't understand that you need to celebrate in your head sometimes.
And I said, yeah.
And he said, here.
You're making a mistake.
You just started running your goddamn government down in the morning after the election.
Let everybody celebrate.
Let all the people that were standing in the back pretend that they're celebrating with you two.
Pretend you're enjoying it for a while.
Then come back around and capture him later.
And, you know, the war was over.
He was here that night, you know.
And he came running and hardly had tears running down his face.
He threw his arms around me and he said, you did it.
That's a great man.
Well, on the water, we're not holding it all right, perhaps.
Yes, sir, we sure have.
But internally, we're just running at it.
We're pushing it hard.
We're cracking on God's hand to get this story to the higher end, to that end, to take us up.
Rather this is, that's police that hasn't heard back from Hawaii.
We've got to be careful not to get subpoenaed.
I mean, you're running from all this.
I'm not talking to anybody.
I don't care if it's cold or anything.
But I can see it.
But I can't.
And I don't know how they'd run into the water.
I don't know.
But we've got to get it done.
What about Iowa?
We've got to get it done.
We should have packed up and gone to Florida and had a big beach in there.
You know, everybody should have, we should have told everybody, take off, put the scarf on through, we were going to celebrate.
And just have a good time.
Yeah.
From the short term.
From the long term, I think we did the right thing.
And I don't think we lost anything by what we did during the short term.
Because we picked it all up and did it right in Indianapolis.
And we had three days where there was celebration for you.
You know, we were, we were just eating.
in good spirits, where we have, uh, and all the commentators, and they played it all the time, even the, even the ship, played that one well.
You know, but then, rather, Barbara, I'm very careful, and I, uh, I'm a natural figure, you know, I always, you know, I'm a, you know, I'm an actor, but I'm very careful with the other staffers, too.
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
I'm trying to...
They're not getting too much strength.
We're pushing harder.
I think the right thing to do, because we won't get it done if we don't.
So we've got to be careful.
The spirit is very important about that site.
That's why, as I said a little bit in the summary, I'd like for them to search.
They have to search every single paper.
I've got papers I'm putting on it and put it in there.
I don't need to read one of them back.
But they do.
They keep a good bunch of numbers in there.
That's right.
They're filling us with it.
Well, maybe we don't play with it.
No, we just don't, don't.
But part of the problem, of course, you know, with the celebration tonight, over this time, or what I'm calling it, I think it's a part of the deal with the celebration was the Johnson family.
I mean, what the hell did you do the next day?
You had to go to the church.
What did you do the next day?
You had to go to the church.
I don't think he would have had some reason on the edge of the shore, no matter what we know.
What I have referred to is internal flow ratio.
Our other people would have felt pretty bad, but they didn't.
They didn't.
You've got to... You've got to have a total think about this.
They were not worried about it.
They figured, you know, we had a problem there.
The kids here, there are the ones that get curious.
Potentially can be the best ammunition we've got.
If we can just get it, get it going right.
Part of it, if you take out your things, we're in good shape.
As I said, they agreed with it.
I went through it.
in general terms.
And we're in good shape really on the substance, the positive substance.
We're not in great shape on the impact.
We're getting a little bit of that from a few people like Goldwater.
But we're not getting a lot of them.
They've done the Goldwater making to all the others.
They didn't get them on each other.
But it just went out
So their editors are just getting it yesterday, so it'll, you know, you won't see the results of that for a few, three more days.
But, uh, you got a lot of fodder and that, but they still don't know what the people said and what happened.
I'm going to call it a shot from the streets.
Pretty good.
And, uh, she worked that kind of thing.
She worked, worked.
We're doing something wrong.
We're not doing, we're not getting the results that we might get.
They seem to think we will get, you know, the best of things.
No, they will get results.
And that's always going to happen.
It takes time.
Those things don't, they don't get the results.
Then you go to the personal question, and there's no question we have not gotten that across to any great degree.
Now, there's no negative on it.
Everything there is isn't what we want.
It's just that there hasn't been quite much of it.
And there's no, there's nothing coming here saying the president was cowardly or didn't have, or maybe didn't hang in there, or didn't stand for what was right.
It's just that they're not making much of a point out of the fact that he did.
Now whether we can push that up or not remains to be seen.
That's
That's the effort we've got to concentrate on.
Take a look at the goals.
The one, you can't argue this is important, and I know Al Haig's argument is important.
Realistically, I'm not sure it is the peace for now.
And that is to justify the order.
You've got to do it to the degree that, you know, that the peace with honor was essential.
But did you ever tell our fight of
You're fighting a very difficult battle.
This is a war.
You're fighting a very tough battle.
Well, the conviction lies there because you're old.
You're only 75, 25 years old.
Well, what they're saying is they all think that Andrew Johnson screwed it up and tried to put up with some mistakes at the end of the war, and you're gallivant, indicating that people don't want to do it again, is an indication of what a hell of a time you're going to prove, justifying that you went into it now.
No, I don't think it was necessary.
I think those days and years have passed.
But, on the other hand, to drag it out now, you're going to keep pissing on each other.
And the fact is, even your far right won't stand with you on that.
Because they want to play our rules.
They want to fight Johnson and Kennedy.
Right?
And you can, on the basis of any description you're used to, you can say, the principle of fighting the war was right.
The method was wrong.
And that's where Kennedy and Johnson were wrong.
Not in taking off the Trish Monson movie, but in the way they took it off.
and the way they actually carry it out.
But then you get into a real problem, because they did the right thing the wrong way, and how do you explain it like that?
And then you did the right thing the right way, just getting it brought down to a great degree of joy, and getting it back to the top of our experience.
I think we can make the point that we can be proud of everything that your people are and are conscious of.
I don't even know if the word conscious is a good word.
And we never use that word to express how we feel.
But we have as many.
You can say that, and that's the word that we all have.
That's the word that we all have.
We're proud of what we do.
We understand.
We're holding our people.
That's what you do.
And we did it with honor.
And everybody said, we should buck out.
The choice is to either continue to kill them at that level, or continue to let more troops arrest them.
And the bosses did more choices to find a way to end it with honor.
And they ended up more, of course, the third choice, of course, with further declassification.
If you continue the Johnson policy, you would be able to pay for the bike and so forth.
No, it's going to cost me dirt to be able to ride it now.
Second, if you bug out, the brakes are running off and there are frizzers and so forth.
And that would mean a cognizant of Southeast Asia.
A cognizant of Southeast Asia and all the consequences of that.
Or third...
We tried to find a way to have peace and honor, and that's what we did.
We found out the war was going to be avoided, and we refused to agree to adopt a statement in our position for the matter.
But when you put it that way, you look at it as a third.
If you honestly therefore disagree, there were a small group of people who feel that the first option would have been a better one.
If you should have escalated the war, I'll push it out of the water.
You should take your chance.
There's also a larger percent, probably twice that many.
I thought you should have wrote down that it wasn't worth the price.
Whatever you accomplished wasn't worth it.
It was better not to have a price or a no price, which is about 25%.
So you've got about 35% of the people that think we're wrong.
And you face that fact and you say, okay, we did it one way, you expect we should have done it.
But there's about 65% of the people that think the right thing to do was to find a way out the right way.
And that's not quite that hard.
It varies.
65 to 65.
65 to 65.
It depends on how the people feel.
Okay.
Are you ready?
Well, I'll tell you what it means for Matt.
The other one, which incidentally, you guys have mentioned before, which is certainly true, is the very, very positive, solid stuff we're getting out of the P.O.W.s, you know, P.O.W.s, and stuff like that.
And this gal, the last one, the last one to die, you know, is over here.
Passing by a car on television.
She edited this.
a couple days earlier that her husband was going to die.
She told the children.
She got her father to tell her, yes, she said your father's going to die in the war.
Another dream that she's going to die.
And I think it's the right thing for her to do because it will make it reasonable to people.
The whole situation that their 19-year-old son had a mustache and kind of a semi-sexy haircut.
Wrote a trick on why his father died, which is very, very positive.
He died in order to
Preserved and solid.
It wasn't easy to get up.
How about talking to Houston rather than serving the Army?
This is bad.
Are they with me?
I don't know.
Let's just start with whoever that is.
I don't know.
That might still work.
No, that's not bad.
Maybe that's all right.
Maybe I go.
Maybe I go.
Maybe I go.
Maybe I go.
Maybe I go.
That will bring us to the piano or something, or a citizen's medal or something.
Just there on the side of the street.
That's the sign that we're all on the same ground.
I mean, we're next to each other.
It was a great day for us to be able to watch it happen.
Yeah, I don't know, it was a lot of fun.
I'm sure most of the people went out and dropped stuff on Android and Photoshopped it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know it's also a way to get some of the evidence out of your time.
You can count on that.
I'm going to put it right here.
Yeah.
I'm going to put it right here.
I'm going to put it right here.
I'm going to put it right here.
I am not, uh, I am not, uh, frankly surprised or shocked or disappointed with the reaction because I totally predicted so damn recall.
But I have to say that I don't want our people to have their contact numbers with the right one.
I realize that certainly, because the right one is the captain for us, which is everybody.
And it doesn't mean that they would have gotten broke.
Imagine having handled Dave Kennedy a month later.
They were all settled.
That's the settlement.
They were all ready to do whatever they wanted to do.
Yeah, so that never was not a bad thing.
To have that kind of story come out of the election, you know, that was a tough side.
It was a tough side.
You know, you weren't just supposed to do whatever you wanted to do.
I said, again, you might need to train.
There'd be two little joys in the ministry.
But, you know, and that's why, you know, if it was a country, that's what you do.
on girls and family coming to Florida.
It was important to have people up that day.
Anyway, we're still just doing that.
I mean, you know, that's here outside the church.
I mean, we're not there, you know.
I mean, the order, but it's not true.
And Bob, you know, we don't have that.
First, you can't get it unless people are ready to do it.
But you don't have it unless you make it possible for them to check it.
We all know what an advance word is.
That's that.
And unless we don't write it, we don't need to hear it.
It's the same as we said about the throne.
I hear this today.
I don't know how long they did it.
They didn't say how they did it as well.
They didn't say anything else.
I just remember we used to worry about it.
We did decide that about the church.
We come back to the White House.
Why did they just announce it?
Because they have all their new crowd outside.
You didn't have to... Yeah.
That's a really nice plan that worked out.
But I think the mayor will do this on the third one.
Except that don't let up on Henry.
He must not...
He might have a...
Yeah, he said yes.
One last thing.
We've got to have eggs.
For example, we've got eight to nine.
Do you think we're better off in British?
British is staying here.
We've got a good corridor here.
We're getting an hour in the center.
We've got a bunch of pockets in California.
We say we're there to get a pass back to Washington.
One, it's easy.
I think the rules are out there.
I've been trying to get my base in mind.
It's easier for you.
You can run it through out there.
And if you .
You don't have to .
You don't have to get back to .
What about?
Why don't you help me out?
I'm trying to get a chat meeting out there.
Can you do that?
Sure.
She's around here.
She doesn't have a message.
She's in the front row.
Yep.
She keeps her mouth shut.
She doesn't get a message.
I would ask you to bring the speaker.
I'm having a rough time.
I hate this guy.
He doesn't listen to me.
I guess so.
I think you're right, though.
I think they agree.
No, I think you're right, though.
I tell the center director, I probably go at least as far with him as the other way around.
I know his goddamn psychological problems, so I constantly say, don't be discouraged.
You know, he's not going to death walk over every time he comes on the phone.
You know?
Unless he's just, I don't know, he's a little better.
Harder, you know.
You know, he don't talk crazy.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Just as it does.
The way to put it is in the framework of what better attitude, you know, rather than walk the path of the terms of a bugger.
And by and large, we've got to tell them that we know they're going to be in the creek, we've got to use batteries, and we've got to wipe them dry, and we've got to knock their brains out.
You're right.
And that's exactly the, that's the tone we've got to develop in this case, the chance to fight the positive side rather than just the bugger goes into it.
And that's easy to start kicking us around in the end.
Thank you.
But you've got to analyze it.
You can't get yourself into, which is the other temptation, into saying, well, we've got a lot of good stuff, which we have.
And I think that we don't need to worry more to say, well, this is all going to come in the long haul.
I don't just wait and let it come, because if we wait, it won't come.
I'm not sure, really, but it's sure tellable that we just wait for it.
It'll only come when we do it.
We don't have to.
Just like the camping, they did not come to action with the game because we forced them.
That's all we said.
We should not have forced them to come.
It's a pre-letter standard.
Or it doesn't want to be shown.
Yeah.
No, we didn't agree.
Everybody's got to say a thing.
Well, you're absolutely right.
I'm trying to keep talking about the budget right today, and all that's it.
There's no question that that's better than it came out, better than I thought it would so far.
The budget came out very well.
We've got 10 errors, and we're talking about that kind of license.
I think what you've got is a recognition that I'm not a very happy one.
I'm part of both the media and the Congress, and you're on the right side, and sort of an equal concern.
It's one where they're not necessarily these types of packages.
And they're afraid to break it like that.
When we sit in a lab, they're thinking about, you know, the real legal stuff, taking it all away.
We're legal, even though we're legal.
But that, you know, the fact that they just wrote something down, you know, they won't do it again.
That way, we'll do it.