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and even though they didn't want to

Better for the people to hear me say anything than I had rather you say what I said.

Because I said, so I always have to go out there and speak my mind.

Sure.

I was, you know, so I got to meet a general out there.

I was very improv, you know, I could, you know, talk to my wife when I wanted to.

Get her on the phone.

You know, get your presence up.

That was a tough one, too.

Yeah.

Oh, no, no, I don't think so.

So, really, when he did this, he just followed it.

I could tell what Clark was doing.

He was just working.

Working around him.

Now, if that guy had a fire, he was just eye-harming him.

That's all that happened.

I said, yeah, but that's not who that child is.

He's been doing it for a long time.

So, they were just watching.

That's why I said, get ready.

I said, yeah.

You know, this is an element of separation of power.

It's not a privilege, it's a related issue.

In my case, though, I mean, I'm accepting it as it is.

I just wanted to say thank you.

Yeah, very much.

Oh, you did.

I think we, uh, I was just mentioning that we, we got to start making press conferences, uh, and sometimes people talk about it and so forth.

I had, uh, recently, well,

Thank you.

You said today had something to do with my reading of the paper that was requested by the commissioner.

I can't say if they're honest or not.

I don't know.

My view is that it's a mistake to come here and take over the people's lives.

I've been found, for example, with some insurers, some congressmen, that I was sort of humble and so forth, talking to the congressmen.

If I was a goddamned in on my secretary, I'd tell him, what am I doing?

I don't think it's fair.

I don't know what to do.

I think I shouldn't have been there.

I don't know what I mean.

I shot him.

I had him on.

Well, they all vote on the amnesty thing.

Well, I know that you have to pursue it all.

And you can't.

I think everybody in the White House wants you to solve the amnesty problem.

They approve the amnesty thing.

They get what they can apply to.

That's the question.

On the amnesty thing, I do everything.

Not for four years.

That's it.

You agree?

Oh, I still have the answers.

That's where I follow up.

I follow up a lot.

And I agree with you.

I've got a little marketing note where I was picking those things up.

And I just said, God bless it.

I was just so...

When you get that answer, that's when we heal to all the issues.

Well, it's interesting.

The wire guy's picking that up.

They're not picking up what I thought was a classic, which was...

I know most of, I know it's nice of any of you guys to have to write it, but it's not going to be easy.

I know it's nice of any of you guys to write that crazy piece without it, but it would have been a dishonor if anyone else.

Oh, we're ready to answer.

And a quick question.

The wires aren't there, Josh.

We'll see what the person is.

But the wires are not flying.

Everybody gets to kill it.

Well, there's plenty of preferences, but there's... Well, that's what I said about that.

Yeah.

Well, they're not in the end.

They haven't been much done.

There's a little bit, yeah.

A little bit.

But I didn't tell him about it.

Well, the end of it was very important.

And he said, I'm not telling you about it.

I'm talking about criminal penalties.

When they will author for violating the law, then we'll let them back.

Otherwise, it's liable.

It's liable.

The other one I thought was great was the country club in the Philippines.

That one right by a lot of the kids.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know what the hell to talk about it, but it's totally true.

Yes, beautiful question.

Every single question you handle is a privilege.

That's a little, I talk a lot, I don't talk a lot.

I think in that kind of a conference, it's just as well to be very friendly.

No, I think you finally, I think you dominated it on five issues that are good ones for us.

Once you can do that, you're now a mild-based race.

I think that the

That's your best form.

Yeah, that's it.

Oh, and that's the belief that I should do this and I should do this more.

In my opinion, you cannot believe this because I think the emergency people once a month seeing the person answering questions, but you do assume it is you.

It's so beautiful that you can be out there 9, 10, 11, 12 times a year and walk in there and engage them in prime time unless they call preemptive care.

To me, it is going to be more important in the second term than it was in the first that people see you directly as they have developed the, you have engendered a much greater degree of personal confidence than you had in the first few years in the way that

I think you will keep this country calm.

I think you will keep the people behind you.

And I think your ability in government to get past the countries is going to be greater than that.

The American people see you in that environment, confident, as you are in command of it.

And they watch these Japanese as they fool themselves, frankly, as they try to pin you down.

Because you're answering the question your way.

I've never, I've never heard a question as good as what I had.

But, you know, but what I had is that it's going on.

You know, one of my kids don't require it much better than I did.

He won't have to be quiet.

All of a matter of fact, he could televise it.

It's just, you know, I don't see any problem.

Well, I think maybe the thing to do is to televise it, not frankly put quiet on it.

See, the problem is, the amount of evidence is required.

I don't think he's going to televise it, and I agree with that.

That's a hell of a lot of money.

And it's because our old people, I mean, just, you know, her, all the rest of us, every one of us, I think, well, it's because of the other one.

What the hell is it, you know?

Basically, God's mind takes a panic shot.

I think our shot was a chance.

I don't know what the other people were saying.

I mean, we had a panic shooting.

All they had were...

We're softballed up there and smod around and the idea that they were all in our game was a bunch of bullshit.

Or he would take a question and he didn't want to answer it and he would answer it with a joke and brush it off and always go to the other side of the room.

I always respond.

And I just wonder if he isn't talking to you more and not trying to be worried so much about it.

Well, you know the five or six areas that they got a profile.

You are always in command of those.

And if you get a flu question, is that your privilege?

And the answer is, uh, yes, it was properly moved under these circumstances.

And if you are accused about my position, I'll be glad to issue a policy statement to you later.

On a very complex subject that involves the operations of the government, I'm curious if you can move on to something else.

You, me, if that was done on live television, you'd have no problem at all with me.

If you get the question and you're not expecting it, it's easy enough to get rid of it and go to something you want to do.

You have the ability to take what's at the top of the fun question and try to turn it around into a just marvelous, the same way Jefferson did, and Jackson did, and Truman did, and then go with the tactics, which is something you wanted to say.

And I think you can do that any time on the unwise prime time total.

And as a matter of fact, you can do it any time, because the press is self-conscious when they know they're on camera.

There's past questions in advance.

We know pretty much what they'll ask.

In a half hour, you really only can deal with four or five subjects as well.

And you know the ones you want to take.

That's all it is.

That's really all it can.

People don't sit and keep score the way we do.

They don't look at it.

Where's the rear action?

I'm not going to speculate about their motives.

Deficit.

Because you give them the opportunity to have to play all kinds of, like the New York Times did.

In fact, that quote has been picked up out of his press conference coordinating all these things.

Uh, otherwise, very, very fine.

Thank you.

Well, I was just on Charlie.

I was prepping him for his Today show tomorrow.

And I just said, you know, John, the trouble with Henry is that there was an opportunity that any of us would have...

to walk out of there and say, this president bravely with his deprecations, forcibly said, oh, I'd like to meet you on time to say that tomorrow.

He'll do a great job for you.

That's it.

You see, I read, I had a really quick full transcript, because I was always out there going through a lot of ideas, because they wanted his confidence to crash.

And Franklin followed up to me and said, well, we're going to get a much better job for the president.

And most of the whole time, the president said, Henry, it's an hour and forty-one.

By the way, I watched those.

He was very cool, very crisp, very sharp, quitterly effective.

And he made more points first, and then he hit that successor, and he really hit it.

When we did all of that, it was absolutely a hard conference.

But then I checked in, and I'm trying to get...

I delivered to him, and he did quite a good work, and he's the one that had the confidence to do it.

And that's...

I mean, what's the consequence of that?

I mean, this is a big thing.

I mean, you guys are not watching this, you know.

I mean, you guys are not watching this.

I mean, you guys are not watching this, you know.

I thought for five minutes about, you know, the way it happened, about my hair and how it worked.

We don't even talk about it.

Why don't you come out and watch it?

Uh, just, uh, watch it.

Oh, yeah, whatever.

He'll take any little message.

Okay.

Uh, I think it was, it was a projection.

We were talking about it.

We were talking about that copy thing.

Yeah.

But it's right out of the chapel.

And he was singing about the other one there, or the other one.

He just said, it was a precious thought.

I thought, that's all.

He said something.

Good thing he doesn't have your back, though.

I got him so screwed.

I gave him three leads.

Otherwise, at first, I would have stopped him with yours.

a co-actor in the primary after I'd seen him work in the primary.

So the second time, my advice to all of the states is to take attendance orders, which is to never do anything except work for the election, to meet with their own parties, as I've said before, and then to run my show right afterwards.

Except you do one person that you send a letter for, and praise, and praise to God.

That's how awesome he is.

If something about Algeria comes up,

The second thing that he may raise is Russia.

Uh, I, by the way, the, the whole Russian deal, he's gonna see the radio tomorrow.

Yeah.

And he may go to Russia, he's a private citizen, he said, I had a meeting with the county this morning, he, uh, I was, uh, I said, I was, you know, I keep an eye out.

Actually, I was very content to do it, because, you know, Watergate, he was very privileged.

Well, I, he said that, but I thought he didn't make any better sense on that.

Well, I mean,

What I have, uh, no, what I didn't admit, there's a couple of D's, and we're talking about mine.

And I, uh, I was pressing for a modifier right now, and there, and I, I think I've answered it in a way that probably was a good thing for us to do.

You should have, of course, got, got me to the answer prepared.

something that will allow us to do everything that we want.

But why don't you just brush the letter off?

And in order to get it, why don't you just give it to the mulling office?

All right.

Why not?

Well, the others will ask the secretary for it, I imagine.

Of course.

We've got to get out.

Give it to the mulling office.

And then he can say, you know, then he can ask the secretary for it.

All right.

And the mulling office puts it out.

The secretary says, yes, mulling office.

It's nice to just get her to talk about it.

Well, he wasn't listening to any papers today.

I know this is a problem.

Well, in that case, you know, I recall specifically telling somebody, Harlan, he talked to Harlan about it, I believe.

When Harlan was here, his case arose.

way early in the search.

I thought it was a later.

No, no.

This is that guy that ran it on a C5A over us.

Oh yeah, way back, but he's still in the car.

And no, he's not.

And he appealed to the service commission to be restored.

I'm thinking of another case, but I have an accident.

Yeah, which I should.

Yeah, well, that was my end.

We're seeing this in question.

We're trying to track.

I didn't want to have any indication that somebody down the line had an accused privilege.

Okay, it's okay.

We're covering his tracks.

Seaman was wrong.

He has a right to vote.

But you backed him up, and we can put it together in such a way that it's okay.

And don't worry about it.

With Connolly, I did mention to him...

the idea that Helms would be the pivots man because now he has been weighing in heavily on us and we should have stronger representation of the Shah, stronger representation in the Far East and the Mid-East and so on.

And I said that, well, you have hopes for Helms.

And if Helms worked out, he would be the answer.

He didn't that we have to have a substitute, but that we have high hopes for Helms going out there.

He will talk to you about an increase in research and development for energy.

The budget this year is up 20% over last year, but I have said to Scoop Jackson that he should not think that is the final word on research and development, and that we'd be prepared to go more when it could be demonstrated that we had spent money on it.

Connolly's argument is the same as Jackson's, that if our R&D budget is high, that will tend to drive down the prices that each dollar is.

And so, I'll support it.

He's for hierarchy.

And so that's what that's all about.

With Heath here, there would be an opportunity for you and Heath to discuss the problem that we ran.

If he's primed to do so, I would write it if I were you.

But it's conceivable that it could come up, and if it does,

It's very touching because Deshawn on the one hand and Sunny Arabia on the other are whipsawing these companies.

They're dragging it out.

They're not working together as it turns out.

But they're each playing their companies off against the deal with the other ranks.

It's going up and up and up.

You cannot deal with one leg of that problem without also dealing with the other leg.

So be very cautious about he carrying the hub for his British companies in this thing.

Don't try to avoid the firm understanding of this and that and the other things.

Now, Connie also mentioned this trust client, Blue Door, going to the Western.

Sure.

And he's been down here peddling a problem that they have with the acquisition of A&P.

The Justice Department is holding him off because he can't get enough information on the deal.

And the Blue Guard won't come forward with the information that they need.

And Connelly has shopped it to Clint.

He's shopped it to me.

He's got a guy that's shopped it to our...

And they have asked us to intervene with the Federal Trade Commission, which we've all refused to do because I've got to go back and move around.

So we've tried to do this too recently.

But he made me know that he's not dead when I received it from the Justice Department.

The only thing you can say is that I discussed this with you, you're aware of it, and that it encouraged his client to turn over as much information as possible to the Justice Department so we can give him a favorable ruling.

They've been very acute with this on the amount of information that's coming.

And that's really all I can tell you on that.

And that's it.

I got a message, and I want to just check on this Time magazine that are about the powers of the Congress.

I've had a message from you before that I was going to go, if you have any frustration, the message I have is that I should cancel out, and that's fine with me, but it's tonight.

Let me say that I just go with the, I would be god damn cool to turn it, and there's actually no certain chances what I see in the mother of the time.

All right.

Well, I can cancel out.

It doesn't come in any way.

I don't let me say that I don't know if it would have helped.

I mean, I didn't, I had thought that it was quite a time in the future.

No, that's what I thought it was going to say, to at least find a way to keep some place else.

There are circumstances, but since you, since you were here longer, let me say that I think time's, time's conduct is so bad at this point.

for the first time that they've ever, in the whole history of the magazine, gotten an inaugural cover.

So what do they want?

The worst that got them from Harvard, you know, on the front desk, is Grace.

And I never know that might be out here again until a little bit earlier, unless I've ever seen the state looking at everybody when there's fire.

And I, well, I don't, I think they're that, I think they, I know that they, they're relapsing.

It's totally negative.

I don't believe, I'm not lying to you, I think that backfires on us, but on the other hand,

I feel it with time, and it's getting better and better.

It's just sad.

You just say, well, isn't our time spent a little bit better with other people?

You got that right, sir.

I have a question.

I'm in a relationship with them where they know I disagree with them.

So it would not be a major signal for you to cancel out.

I mean, you've told them already to disagree with them.

Oh, I haven't consistently.

And so there's no mystery about my opinion.

I mean, I met with Eric Torgord, for instance.

We ended up all shouting at each other.

And we've had this kind of a hard-fought relationship.

And so, uh, my goal thing, uh, or not goal thing, uh, is they skin off my nose.

In that conversation, many of them said, no, no, no, I can't relate to this.

They're called the administration.

Uh, included in my conspiracy that we're doing something to kill the virus.

At a late hour, I, that's on the left side, on the left side, that's what I did.

So I knew I would go, and then I would just cool it down.

Well, they've done this and invited George and me to a country on energy that we aren't going to do.

And that's easy to get out.

Let me say that I'm on my way to this case, John.

I'm thinking of another government.

I'm thinking of that Navy fellow that talks about ash.

Yeah.

So I have a quote.

That's right.

And so what we're saying is, by the language that Steven's used, he was beginning that process.

Here he goes on.

Meantime, he then refers to the Attorney General.

The Attorney General is going to look at it and make a decision to where he should answer the question.

And you were aware of this fact.

And you actually get us in the procedure being started.

You make no point in the world of .

But that's right.

Well, basically, I said a little more than that.

It sounded, perhaps, pretty good.

I was reading it.

It started to hurt.

I understood what it was, and I approved it.

I was aware of the kid, you know, which I was.

Harlow agreed with me.

That's correct.

I did it way back.

I was the one that started Wallenhoff.

Interestingly enough, this guy, Seamus, had talked to both Wallenhoff and Harlow there.

And I believe that at one time or another, they both talked to each other, but Harlow particularly talked to me about it.

But to take one back, whether or not he should be here, well, he really wasn't fired.

He was sort of transferred to a non-existent job.

Harlow didn't choose him.

Oh, did he?

Yeah.

Well, I thought he was a part of everybody's side.

Well, the point was not that he was complaining about the overruns, but that he was doing it in public.

That's the point.

And cutting up his superior's truck.

And frankly, not taking over his truck.

I've got a memo here in which the facts of the whole Fitzgerald case are put out.

And it gets put out in the procedure and so forth and so on.

And on the other thing, they put a

Here's the reason I'm good with the Clark.

We know that he's been bitching about a lot of things and so forth and so on.

They've been around here simply because somebody bitches.

In other words, I don't want people to get the impression that somebody has to be 100% John.

I guess nobody, nobody around here, nobody on our side would ever be 100%, except if he's very proud of it.

And that is what we want.

I have nothing to say that it ever comes to this kind of administration.

On the other hand, therefore, that they're on and on.

The other thing is that if you don't, if you play it, if you don't, if you just say the hell with you because he's embarrassing, then it looks as if it gives the wrong kind of signal.

The people that are always against the other organizations.

Let me hear your other ones.

Now the Senate, let me see this.

Alyssa Gore, Osmar, Whit Cooper, I mean, there are a lot of people in the Senate.

Those that would do anything for me.

It isn't worth getting one good out of ten.

That's not enough because that distills their credibility.

But Amara, who now I know is just basically a goddamn good reporter.

We made mistakes.

That's my theory.

And also, I think it's realistic.

In our relationship with the president, we have so few who will give us half a break that we simply have

to play the people in the center or the halfway on the sky.

Yeah.

Would you agree to this or not?

I don't agree.

Well, how do you take them on balance and play to the odds?

And when the odds are stacked against you, you don't play.

You don't even break when you do.

Sure, you've been through a lot.

I was hoping to ask you about that.

On the other hand...

I think that poor folks, you know, I think we always ought to come back higher, as I did today on that empowerment.

That was good answer.

Taxes, taxes, you know, taxes.

And we don't know any congressmen or senators around the platform who are higher than I just mentioned.

And the poor folks, the old folks, the black folks, they all have problems with taxes and so forth.

Now, what are we going to do?

I saw, I think, also the idea that the Congress is a special interest group.

Yeah.

They've increased it by that much.

That's telling them, look, this is not an austerity program.

We have done this.

I'm just getting rid of a lot of programs that I put into this young guy running with a computer.

The last thing I said to him, I said, why don't you give us the chart?

He said, look, I can't say this is my first time to see what you're saying, but you're doing the right thing.

I believe what you're saying.

We're not going to have open hands for bureau grants.

In Alaska, it's very common.

No open hands for bureau grants.

We're going to give the money to the poor folks rather than the bad bureau grants.

I think that's what we should say.

The word there of a dollar is going to lie in China.

That's good.

Why send that dollar to Washington and back?

And he goes through all the work there on that dollar.

So, that's a good person.

He was there.

Yeah, I'm going to show you.

You did that today.

Yeah, I'm going to go back and I'll take you to finish it up.

Good luck.

All right.

Well, there you are.

All right.

We're going to see here.

All right.

Thank you.

I'll be back.