Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 846-008
Date: Thursday, February 1, 1973 at 12:38 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; White House photographer
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/846-008

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[0:01] Well, I understand that you came to work 22 years ago.
[0:04] I was going to say, it'll take a couple of hours.
[0:10] Well, I flew up to New York last night to have dinner with my teacher.
[0:14] Oh, that's where you were going to come.
[0:17] What the... Well, I promised to go on.
[0:19] It was a beautiful dinner.
[0:21] Who was it?
[0:21] Who gave it to you?
[0:23] Bill Buckley and Senator Buckley.
[0:26] in the New York Yacht Club.
[0:31] Well, it's just beautiful.
[0:32] And you know, they flew us all up.
[0:34] And we got out here in a DC-3, and we were sitting and waiting an hour to take off.
[0:40] And poor old Cat Weinberger was on the plane.
[0:43] I felt so sorry for him.
[0:44] No, just that we were so late, and everything was late up there.
[0:48] But Roger Nelson was there, actually.
[0:51] Thank you, his best friend.
[0:52] I'm proud he was.
[0:55] Jerry O'Bain.
[0:56] I heard you know about this.
[0:57] This is... Well, I've been here.
[1:01] God, you can't be that old.
[1:03] I'm not old.
[1:04] You were born...
[1:06] I mean, you were... How old were you when you came here?
[1:09] I must have been about ten.
[1:12] Ten.
[1:13] Let's just take a picture.
[1:15] Okay.
[1:15] Let's do it.
[1:19] Let's do it.
[1:23] Oh, God.
[1:32] So we'll put it with your personal time.
[1:39] He's consigned to everything.
[2:04] Unless you want it somewhere else.
[2:15] Oh, yes.
[2:17] That's fine, a little print.
[2:25] Yes, it's very well addressed.
[2:40] So it's a very valuable book.
[2:49] I'd like to show you those in case you run into them in the bathroom.
[3:00] You mentioned that they're the same.
[3:02] Yes, yes.
[3:03] You sure about it?
[3:05] I don't know if this sounds special, but it's a bag of antiques that you get.
[3:08] I've got a lot of things in my drawer here.
[3:11] That's why the whole library thing is going to be such a huge exercise.
[3:17] We've got so many things to put out.
[3:26] I don't know if you want to read it.
[3:29] I'll read it.
[4:41] Do you want to keep it in here?
[4:45] Keep it in here.
[4:55] Who's coming tonight for this dinner?
[5:01] I'd love to listen.
[5:02] We're going to, I think, take time.
[5:03] We're going to take this place from the left.
[5:12] She's a very good looking woman.
[5:21] She's very bright.
[5:24] Thank you.
[5:40] We've started, we've marked, we've got a list by who are staying people, who are labor people, who are, you know.
[5:53] I don't know when, I don't think I've got any plans, but they've got a hamburger on the seat, and we'll get them there tonight.
[6:10] No, that's what I mean.
[6:13] They're good.
[6:14] I'm bored of them all.
[6:16] These are political.
[6:16] It's a good mix.
[6:18] Mary Ann Ludwig.
[6:21] Now, is she an actress?
[6:23] Yes, she's a florist.
[6:24] Her husband is an actor, and they're a very young, attractive couple.
[6:28] They were at your home.
[6:30] You know, the reception you had at St. Louis.
[6:35] Yes, he's your old friend.
[6:36] He supported you way back in the 50s.
[6:40] You'll know him if you've not seen him before.
[6:43] Yeah, I've heard of him.
[6:44] Do you remember him?
[6:45] I don't remember him.
[6:47] Tedder is a very blonde young man, and he's very popular.
[6:52] I don't know if he's legal, except from that reception of yours in the pictures that I did of him.
[6:59] But I think mixing a few of those people who helped during campaign makes it interesting for the other guys, too.
[7:05] Yeah, and you just can't have the fat guys, you know.
[7:08] The thing that I want to do every weekend for R.A. Spiegel
[7:13] But when I studied that list, he gave a recommendation.
[7:17] We, for four years, we couldn't have anybody but finance people with dinners.
[7:20] Right?
[7:21] No way.
[7:22] We just worked them out.
[7:23] So what we're going to do, what I'm going to do is to work in a two-week evening.
[7:27] So this evening, you can take more of it.
[7:28] People will have a better time.
[7:29] Yes.
[7:30] We'll get his top big contributors in to state dinner.
[7:33] What about an evening?
[7:35] Isn't that great?
[7:36] Yeah, the top one.
[7:38] Wow.
[7:39] OK. A dinner.
[7:40] And it isn't hard because then you get an equal number.
[7:43] Well, that's Julie called about her.
[7:46] That's Anna Bird's daughter.
[7:48] Oh, of course.
[7:49] Of course, of course, of course, of course.
[7:53] Anna's daughter.
[7:54] Sam's daughter.
[7:56] All right.
[7:57] Now, see, those are your parents.
[8:01] Some of those are chairmen.
[8:05] Some of them are wizards.
[8:07] Well, okay.
[8:11] I don't know what he looks.
[8:13] Do you support us?
[8:15] Well, he was at that $1,000 plate dinner in Los Angeles.
[8:17] And he's on the list of support.
[8:23] We'll smack out afterwards.
[8:25] I'll just meet the afternoon guest.
[8:29] I can tell you what happened on the afternoon.
[8:32] I think so.
[8:33] But what happened is that they first told us they could have 300 in that room.
[8:39] And so we sent over just 10 on the list because we had it first.
[8:43] There are an awful lot just from the hill tonight.
[8:47] Because then they chopped off the others that we got from Malik and everybody.
[8:51] They said, no, 100 was all they could really handle downstairs.
[8:56] So tonight will be sort of one-sided during the dinner, although there will be a few states and a few British.
[9:04] That won't happen again, but they gave you their own.
[9:06] Well, we're after dinner guests.
[9:07] It doesn't matter what they come.
[9:08] They're not here to entertain.
[9:10] They don't give a damn who the head of state is.
[9:12] They don't see the president.
[9:13] That's right.
[9:14] So they're after dinner.
[9:15] It's the dinners that care whether it's heat or who's singing.
[9:18] And we're going to have good entertainment for who's singing.
[9:20] The carpenters as well.
[9:22] And I have a lot of young people with the carpenters.
[9:25] Well, the carpenters, they went once.
[9:27] Somebody was in an accident yesterday.
[9:29] So we're going to change that.
[9:30] They can't come.
[9:33] One or the other was.
[9:36] Don't you work on that?
[9:37] They're working on that right now.
[9:41] I'm sure.
[9:41] And we're going to have different entertainment tonight because Mary Costa broke her leg.
[9:49] Broke her leg?
[9:50] Just this morning or yesterday afternoon.
[9:52] Who the hell are we having?
[9:55] Well, they're working on that.
[10:01] Oh, God.
[10:03] But when the interpreters do come, then we get a lot of the young kids who really worked in the campaign, too.
[10:22] Yeah, they'd be .
[10:30] The evenings are really very excellent, I think.
[10:33] The main thing there is you don't look at the entertainer shaking hands.
[10:36] Yeah.
[10:36] Obviously, I know they're not doing well, true.
[10:41] We shake hands with everybody, and that's just it.
[10:43] And it's just great.
[10:45] Yeah.
[10:45] I think we, and I think by all means, we should have Ben Codman for an evening at the White House.
[10:51] We haven't had him.
[10:52] For an evening?
[10:53] I think we should be invited to Jess sometime, but we haven't had him for an evening, and I think he's magnificent.
[11:00] He's always good, and he's our friend, and I'm sure he'll visit you any time you ever come.
[11:05] And the other one that I like to say, William.
[11:11] Yes, yes, William.
[11:11] We did have him on.
[11:12] Not Andy, William.
[11:15] Not Andy, the piano player.
[11:18] R.F., R.A.
[11:29] Well, there were, but don't worry about it.
[11:30] Would you make a note to Julie that there are no certain chances for her to be able to do it?
[11:36] What are the areas where there are no certain chances for her to be able to do it?
[11:42] I don't get it.
[11:45] Or a flag.
[11:52] You can't call it a flag these days.
[11:53] You don't have to do it.
[11:55] You don't have to do it.
[11:57] I couldn't see it in our version, but I don't know what she looked like.
[12:03] But that girl sat on the far-spangled banner, has a voice that is fantastic.
[12:09] I don't know what kind of she normally sings or anything.
[12:14] Well, we could check her.
[12:15] The other one, of course, agreed to what it was saying to the councilor's family.
[12:19] Oh, yes, Aaliyah Bryan.
[12:21] Oh, Leah Tom Price.
[12:23] Oh, Leah Tom Price.
[12:25] She's great.
[12:26] She's great, but the question is whether she's a non .
[12:33] They haven't together .
[12:34] I don't think she's ever been .
[12:37] I don't know .
[12:44] Yeah, but I think before, I think I remember Sharon Boyd was talking about her a long time ago at some point, because I can check that.
[12:51] He's quite good at this sort of thing.
[12:55] Yeah, because he moves, he goes, he listens to so many of these, goes to so many of these things in New York.
[13:06] Sometimes in New York, in New York, yeah, I saw this sort of fascinating old building.
[13:14] All kinds of people.
[13:26] And everyone's saying they have never been more proud of you than your press conference the other day.
[13:33] Well, Eric, I did after your speech on the peace thing, because you said you did that.
[13:39] without almost taking, you know, it was done so beautifully in the right tone and everything.
[13:47] But your press conference yesterday, again, in the way of Glenn Garman and Ray Price and I were talking.
[13:51] It was just really... Glenn Garman.
[13:55] Yes, he played the, he played the, what did he play?
[14:00] Piccolo, no.
[14:00] Oh, he played the clarinet.
[14:02] The clarinet, clarinet.
[14:04] He played that with American partners or whatever his name is.
[14:07] He played at the Carlisle Hotel.
[14:09] It was a great piano player.
[14:11] And he was really good.
[14:12] He was really good.
[14:15] And they heard the press conference.
[14:16] They worked there.
[14:18] No, no.
[14:18] It wasn't on TV.
[14:19] Well, no, but it was the people had read it in the paper who commented on it.
[14:23] But it was, I couldn't hear it because I got about four phone calls.
[14:26] But it was on, we could turn on stations.
[14:29] Oh, yeah, on the radio.
[14:30] Six or something on our television set.
[14:32] Oh, yeah.
[14:32] Oh, is that right?
[14:33] And that's how Lenin was considered.
[14:36] And they were pleased with him.
[14:40] Very, very.
[14:41] Well, I'm not giving any quarter to all that energy.
[14:52] The reason the liberals are for amnesty is that they want to say that those that ran away did the moral thing.
[15:02] If I give amnesty to these people that ran away, a few hundred, then I am deliberately condemning two and a half million for being immoral, including 50,000 that died.
[15:14] The guys that ran away are the immoral ones.
[15:21] And they're the ones the country can't ever depend on.
[15:25] And they shouldn't.
[15:26] I don't think there's a... How are they coming on your diet?
[15:30] I don't know.
[15:32] They take Budsie and Tamana.
[15:35] I'm the guy.
[15:35] What are you taking?
[15:38] You're not cholesterol, I understand.
[15:41] No, type of drugs, which they discovered during the Korean War.
[15:44] Cholesterol is not what causes heart attacks or stroke.
[15:47] I don't think they are, is it?
[15:50] the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[16:29] The thing about it is that whatever it requires, I don't think I would do it myself.
[16:34] Well, I'd take that.
[16:36] I'd take that.
[16:37] I'd take what Paul really knows better.
[16:42] He's a great blood specialist.
[16:44] Lon Thompson is the doctor I'm going to.
[16:47] And he's known in his area as a specialist.
[17:02] Well, he is, if you read his book, it's on blood chemistry and blood chemistry.
[17:09] He believes it has an enormous effect on health, everything else.
[17:17] It's a nuance in some people.
[17:18] It's old, but it's new.
[17:20] Most doctors don't understand.
[17:23] But all that thought, he just knew it.
[17:26] Oh, I know.
[17:26] He's great.
[17:27] He writes.
[17:28] I'll talk to him and tell him about it.
[17:30] Why don't you talk to him and tell him that you've got, I think, a good idea.
[17:35] First, if you want to call it, I want to appreciate it.
[17:37] I appreciate it very much.
[17:39] Second, that I told a couple of people to read his book, The Upgraded Version, because I know what they were talking about.
[17:46] You know, because I, you know, somebody that's sort of down in time.
[17:55] relationship, from physical to emotional, from emotional to physical to the stress, you know what I mean?
[18:01] I said, your cholesterol go up in direct relationship, you're watching him through.
[18:05] I said, the diet all sunk.
[18:08] I said, that's not a great deal.
[18:10] I'm sorry, both of you.
[18:11] Todd and I remembered that he had spoken to me about blood chemistry, and I had asked him a lot, but he had talked about the arcane, and we just wondered if it was something else.
[18:23] What's it called?
[18:25] What's the medicine called?
[18:28] It's a popular name.
[18:31] It's something very new.
[18:38] There are different phases, though, and my type, it's typo, what's the disease called?
[18:42] Typoproteinemia, something.
[18:45] And this is the family.
[18:46] I'll say it's all right.
[19:00] Yeah, it could be.
[19:02] Yeah.
[19:02] I'm very lucky in one sense, you know, both my mother had colostrums and my father had ulcers.
[19:22] I think I'm ready.
[19:23] I've got a way down the left.
[19:30] Yes.
[19:30] Okay, well, Mr. Conner, I'll take care of yourself.
[19:34] Okay.
[19:35] Thank you.