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I don't want to go to assistant secretaries because it just gets too big.

But I'm sure we'll do all of that.

Just a minute here.

But, you know, it's a very proud moment.

She wants us to do it there.

You know, there it is.

She's Justice and the President's bandit hacker.

It's a hell of a big thing.

I love her.

She's making great sacrifices.

She's a scientist.

She's coming.

All of it.

It's a terrific experience.

Arkansas, do you want to do that?

Sound Riders, or anything?

You should hire some.

Well, you can visit the guys from Texas.

Arkansas at the moment looks best.

And what you could do on it is to go on, if you go on Wednesday the 7th, is to do, they have a convocation type thing at the college, and you present to them

Unfortunately, your State of the Union message, it deals with economics.

Now, this is a good thing to do to a college, but it raises it, you know, it gives an unhistoric moment kind of thing.

It does, but it's anti-Fulbright.

And that's the one that's supposed to go up that day.

Well, it's supposed to go up on your Tuesday.

You can do it.

Now, I said at the radio meeting, I know this.

That's the kind of thing which I want to give suggestions on, but I just think it's too gimmicky for me to go out and make a decision.

This is the Searcy College Microsoft.

Just to read it to them.

It'd be your regular address.

You just do it from there.

I should be before college and basically a depressed, solid, solid atmosphere.

What would we even get something?

Do you realize that, John?

Well, the way you prepare for it is you get something there, right?

But you get the something on the reception and on the arrival at the airport and driving through town to get to the college.

Well, I had this as he spoke to a college for the first time.

He was even here in the heart of Arkansas and was restrained to do the reception.

But is there anything else we can do?

Is there anything we can present to Mills?

I don't think that's right.

I think that should not be done.

What else was his college name?

I thought it was a foundation or something.

But what it is, is if they have some town, I just, if somebody would read the mail carefully, and I haven't had the time to do it, see if there's something, if somebody indicates their life, come by.

I don't know.

Let's see, I was just thinking of this kind of request.

Rather than manufacturing something, you could take something that somebody's thought of.

Probably.

Well, not necessarily, no.

What I was thinking about is, you never know, maybe there's an editor out in some town that says, by God, the president is on credit, and I wish he could come by.

Or, I know that family is in Michigan, but I don't think you want to go to Michigan.

I'm not sure where, you know, what part.

I just want to point out the fact that the last person who died, so, that's been done well.

I think at some point we ought to, you know, let her come into the White House and say, you know, we can't do it in the way that I explained in the press conference.

We're not going to exploit POWs and families and all the rest.

We're going to bring them in in a restrained way and let, quote Christ, somebody around here gets out.

That's our job as a staff to do that.

Give the wife a medal of freedom or something like that and have some staff member do it.

The other thought might be to give the 19-year-old son a medal of freedom.

He wrote the piece on why his father died, which his mother read.

Now, let's go to the bar.

I thank you, the wife, if you present what I would have presented the wife on the ground.

But you haven't got anything else except for Arkansas.

Yeah, they've got some other possibilities.

They didn't want to come because this is where they were focusing.

What that Arkansas, it isn't Wilberville College, it's Hendricks College in Conway, Arkansas.

There's a Wilberville school at this Hendricks College now.

That's just out of Little Rock.

Can you go to Little Rock?

It's probably not the right time.

Let me ask you something.

When is the thing over?

The house goes out on the 8th and the Senate on the 9th.

I believe the Senate goes out on the 8th and the House on the 9th.

Do you have any successes in trying to get that, uh, it's so beautiful, that constant letter writing and all that?

Yeah, I mean, well, no success yet, but then it's a, it looks like a possibility.

Yeah, that's one area where we always, if we could take a great burden off of me, if I could always figure out, you know, you know so much about how to do it.

We've got a son that do, we know about that.

Oh, he's just got a son.

Yeah.

And the high that woman types, that's the thing where there's a weakness.

And that woman knows, whoever it is that does it, if it is a woman, she knows how to write that kind of letter.

to know that he doesn't take those letters because they don't sound like Johnson.

He apparently reworked all of them.

She sent them in and he put in a word.

There's an elegance, a phrase, a style that's not Johnson.

Everybody has to rework the letters.

But if he doesn't, he's really good at catching all the time through a lot of them.

Or you could go to...

I'll let Mary go to the top.

That'll reconnect you.

Thank you.

Well, a couple of things.

One is you have to start working on the master schedule for four years and places to go.

I was in that and so on and so on.

So we've got a list in the future that we can work on.

The second thing I want to say is that I want, until we get

I want to be sure that you get Pam Powell as a job.

And I spoke to that.

I just like to have her around.

We can work it out in a way that .

And related to that, he said, I'd like a list developed now of those

entertainers that we think that we can get.

In other words, potentialists and so forth.

I mean, so we can find out whether, I mean, we don't know, but the black chiefs don't know that any entertainer, whether they will come.

I mean, what their attitudes are going to be like, will they have time to price when they're happy and so forth and so on.

but if we could have a list of all of us then when we cover these dinners I might that we could have a sort of a choice you know but I think if you have a master list on those they're all completely that's done we have a list I don't mean just those explorers that can't make my talk about that I'm talking about a master list of the best entertainment in America and then

uh and of course taking off those that we know are against us that we sort of know what we need yeah i think there's our celebrities which i hope we have that

We've got a celebrity list for an invitation.

Then we've got a list of entertainers to entertain the dinners.

But they are all people who support us.

We've gone on the base that we may not get our preliminary confidence to fit that.

They were supposed to have had a lot of science.

No, we can go back to the list of just the best entertainers who are clean.

That's all.

That's right.

What other findings in here?

Are we still looking for a protocol?

Yeah, we've got out of the category we were talking about, now the top couple of guys that would be biological contenders.

The one thing I'm trying to do a little further checking on is whether we're right in going to an operational type guy.

Well, let me tell you what I think we should do there, and that's with the new surface or how she

We've got to get across the plate again.

Yesterday, Smoke and his wife, right in the car with the Prime Minister, arrived and they...

I go in all the time, I know, and they just step aside.

It's not their fault, you know.

I've got to walk forward with the Prime Minister, walk in front of the wife, and get out of the elevator, and all that sort of thing.

And it's just not going to be that way anymore.

So can we say that when they started with the King of Jordan, that they should not ride in the car at all with the King of Jordan and his wife, right?

they should go get another car, would that be your view?

Yep.

And then go on into the dentist.

And they don't need to present him to me, I will already have him, I know the game, see?

Yep.

Well, see that's the thing.

I don't give a damn who she would go to call her.

No, generally it's not my site.

The only, well, we can game a lot, but I'd put one of those guys in.

The problem is, there's a role there that we really have to take into account, and I don't know whether it's important, but

of keeping the diplomatic corps happy and in service, and keeping visitors that you don't see.

Or the second point is that prime ministers, and not prime ministers, but foreign ministers, but my opinion is not so for that.

Secretary of State is kind of a pizzazz.

He's a worry.

That's not, the thought is, the thought would be right.

The thought would be that we ought to look for someone

Well, it's all right.

He's got to come up with every conversation.

Could you get that combination?

Will anybody take the job?

I think a barman would.

I mean, I think you can find something like that.

I wouldn't mind having a barman up there now.

If it was a good, cheap protocol, you could get it into the drill, too, instead of setting up this proper entertainment thing.

We don't do as well as we should the business of, you see, or even with the military, it's how you set up the receiving line and all that sort of thing that isn't quite their dish of tea.

That's really something that ought to be done by an advanced man type, in my opinion.

It's not that important.

It's probably to, well, solidify the function of any guy who can handle this other crap of jackass or a little jackass.

I'm not sure that you can't jackass.

Oh, that's just the secretary handling.

We just need somebody to do the white house stuff.

But if you didn't see, though, wouldn't you agree that it's a mistake to have a guy who's a bachelor to have smoke in his wife's car in the back of her?

That's ridiculous.

But it's wrong either way.

That's more wrong when he's a bachelor.

I tried this role you did as a wife, but the fight is to get those poor people out, and I got four people to shake hands with.

We got it in the picture.

And then I got to walk in, and I got to walk in front of the women.

Well, no.

I just work it out that way.

I do not think that we do not have an event that we should go to.

I've got an idea, though.

Why don't you just say it?

And that'll just give you a ride home.

Just to say would you like to give a ride home so we can talk and have Schultz on there too?

And frankly, I do want to have a talk with him, so I'd like to give him a ride home and get out.

Do you want to do the airport?

Just do the airport.

If you're there, I'm sure like that you see this college or dedicate the middle of the room or something.

He's got something I can do.

If I can do something that is informal and light, you know, yes.

He's got a room or something.

Okay.

Let's check that out and see if you'd like to go.

You should also deliver an offer to my caller.

Is that appropriate?

Sure.

Just offer me an offer.

And you just say you want me to go down and have a meeting with him.

But that would work.

Okay, five.

Vice President's return.

He either, I don't know whether he's ending up adding the Philippines or not.

If he does, he'll be back on the 10th.

If he doesn't, he'll be back on the 9th.

The question is, do you want him to stop at San Clemente?

Do you want him to work back if he has to?

I've got him to do it.

And in first place, it's clear he's going back to England.

Yeah.

And out of those service masses, I think, that's what we ought to have and reason.

We'll need to be gone by then.

Oh, yeah.

He goes someplace.

I'll have to see.

No, when he comes back, he comes to know I have a line there.

Oh, I see.

Maybe he's in California.

That's a good idea right now.

I don't know.

I think it would be better to move forward.

Well, it's gonna be better to leave and get Henry out there and catch him on the way back.

We'll have a chance to talk to him and try to catch Egg on the way.

What?

Catching Egg gives you...

Get you started without any work.

The nicest thing, trust me.

Now, the other day, he shows up, and you're... And you're in the house.

All the day.

All right.

We're not going to be watching the period anymore.

All right, we'll find him.

Whatever day it is, I'd like to stop him.

His wife wouldn't...

If you could each stay up there and take off a few days in the desert and back drop your boat, don't worry.

Took me to a clergyman then.

Alright.

Secret Service question.

I've gone round and round on it and I think

Duncan doesn't want it.

Duncan is...

He'd like to get into a post.

And third, he has the career problem.

He wants to get into an investigation role.

He wants to go to an investigation report.

So he can't move up.

Kaiser, the guy who wanted to move up, is still...

The logical guy, too, will move up.

He's concerned about moving up, but... Because he's moving over some people.

Well, no, he's not really.

He's moving over Doug.

But it's because Doug wants to move up.

I think by reassuring him that we're not hurting him, he'll do it.

It was an honest thing of, you know, the career service where you're supposed to move up, and the guy was worried about being judged.

What about Taylor?

What's his deal on that?

Taylor, what he wants is an assistant directorship, which there isn't any of at this point.

We can move him into one when there's a chance to.

We can put Taylor into the spot in the meantime.

We do have a promotion for him, putting him in charge of the foreign protection.

Why don't you do that on the face and just a pledge?

Just say he has a very specific directorship in some things.

Okay?

I think that's fair.

Okay, or do you want to follow up?

Probably a lot of them.

He screwed up, though, because he's been talking to several of our people, including the government, about guidance on employment, you know, external stuff.

He wanted to leave.

He wanted to go outside.

And we sent him to a court administration school so he could go to that, which he wanted to do.

And I was just like, he doesn't want to do that.

And, well, you're charged enough.

Just so the doctor...

What does Taylor want to say in the detail?

Is that really what he needs to know?

No.

He wants to move up to an assistant directorship.

Fine.

Alright, then we're all set.

You're all set.

Good.

I'll answer all the questions.

Well, originally he wanted to move out, and he had asked for guidance on how to move again.

Alright.

Good.

Take care.

Our best bet with Mrs. Johnson is to put her on the U.N. delegation.

We can offer her now, but she announced until July, she doesn't have to go to work until September, so the time is perfect for her and a lot of questions will come from her.

I think we've explored it.

I talked to Tony about it.

He said

Said the best thing would be for the president to call up his daughter if she wants to do it.

The second best thing he said would be, you know, like everybody said, I'll call her.

Or, you know, even if you don't know what I'll call her.

i'll call her and just say she doesn't even decide you reminded me that it's july well it's full pretty much full time but only for a couple months she goes to september in new york for the general assembly and she's there until the end of november

She's right.

The timing was beautiful and she needs some time now to kind of get it right before she should take the assignment and she won't want any full-time insurance.

I think it's good that you're right.

I should offer it to her.

Good.

Did he give you something to talk to her about at some point?

She's very deeply grateful for you and the car and so on.

But I'll wait.

No, that's okay.

Perhaps you can borrow her.

No, that's all right.

It's not going to do it at some point.

Okay.

Stan has had a long talk with Clint Stone on his ambassadorship business, and he understands that

Glenn said while he thought he could perform very well in London, that his interest was totally subordinate to the President's judgment as to what would be in the best interest of the country.

He was no way unhappy about not going to London and no way he blesses his respect for the President.

And there is no problem.

He explored his interest in taking on another post and made the pitch that, you know, he could demonstrate the value of his ideas and personal philosophy and all that stuff in some key other country.

So he didn't think this would be good.

He's working with organizations in lots of countries now that he was better to spread his student loan across the whole world rather than concentrate in any one country.

And he would prefer to pass up a post.

is happy, understands that he will indicate some special signs.

Sure.

We'll do the buttering up things as frequently as we can.

But anyway, we're over the hurdle of hunting.

Yeah, definitely.

But we ought to actually.

We've got to win a little bit.

Yeah, I mean, about six months ago, so he's kind of, you know what I mean?

He's a pretty strong medicine.

Well, he's doing all right.

I know.

He's a pretty strong medicine, though, for...

or I think in a post-war period of time, unless a guy wanted to just, you know, just move, you know what I mean, you know, he never should be.

And there's one, he said, fires all the day, and all of a sudden, his wife and son-in-law, Mrs. Amber, and Mrs. Carson, and Mrs. Carson's a little better buttoned up than, you know, wife works a little bit,

But to the one that's really interesting, you know, about Rocky's last night, of course I can imagine he's just irritated because of all the stuff.

Not only because of Saul, because he's not sure that he'd have a hell of a lot to do with it, but also because he knows it's a goddamn unfair, you know, and...

He said, well, we can, like, make a flyer and follow him over and some of those kind of things, whatever he wants to do.

And I said, alright, I don't think about it.

I don't know why I do that.

What is your conclusion?

I think that's, that ain't shit.

To this credit, incidentally, he called me, and I was out, and he said, and he called me this morning, and he called me back, and he had gone to the dinner, and I called him this morning, and he wasn't there, so he mentioned to me up there that

He said, the reason I was following this, I covered it with the president.

He said I didn't want to bother him, but at the time, the reason that he was willing to, I don't know, I can put out anything on a particular platform.

Well, I think you're right.

They're not so many Du Bois in town.

They're a little different.

They understand which direction is supposed to do our best.

You're still about to come back down.

The fact that we got into this real frustration on the actual thing, like lunch and so forth, and I can't take it, is in no way ever to be considered pressing for the future.

I'll tell you, I don't have an excuse for this, but this is because when I was in Britain, I was invited to be checkers by the Prime Minister and so forth, and I was sent here to return for that.

I guess to say that, that's it.

That means there are no changes.

The sign is true, if you go off the city, that would be terrible.

Come on, I haven't been to other countries and I don't want to have been invited for lunch or something.

Am I fine?

They come up every time and they use each one as a precedent for the next one.

So it's a one shot deal.

All the other ones we may have to do this year.

Don't worry about it now, there's nothing to be done.

If you take it on cost and effort effectiveness there,

$50 a piece, which is about $50.