Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 848 › Conversation 848-013
Nixon, Ehrlichman & Brown on International Marketing and Public Broadcasting
Monday, February 5, 1973 · 12:45 PM–12:56 PM ET · Oval Office · 8 min
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President Nixon met with Robert J. Brown and John D. Ehrlichman to discuss Brown's departure from his White House role and his future professional plans. The discussion covered Brown's potential involvement in international marketing programs and public broadcasting, as well as addressing the broader challenges of the American public image regarding political violence and radicalism. Following the Browns' departure, Nixon and Ehrlichman briefly addressed staffing concerns at the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, specifically regarding administrative appointments and regionalization policies.
- Robert J. Brown
- International Marketing
- Public Broadcasting
- Domestic Council
- HEW
- Political Violence
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Thank you.
Well, we're going to try another picture here, huh?
I guess the day finally comes when he leaves, but I'm really proud to be around him.
That's right.
You're confident that Scott's going to be very good, because he's good at Brown.
Well, I didn't know that.
Come on, let's get another picture here.
That's a good picture.
At least for the moment, you're on this side.
All right.
Now let's go down here.
Didn't really take that many shots.
You probably get one.
Well, like I said, I'll deal with the others.
Of course, nobody can do a better job than that for us.
Thanks.
You fought a good fight.
Counsel.
Counsel.
I remember what you told me, David, just reward our guys, right?
Yes, sir.
I still believe that.
I still believe that.
I remember that.
And it's been great for us, and we'll miss it very much.
And we hope to get back often.
I'll be staying here.
I've had my time here.
So I was going back home.
I'm trying to get the house straightened out and all that.
And it's only about 40 minutes from here by plane.
So, you know, it would be...
But there are a lot of things that I want to do.
I've talked at some talks with George Bush to see what we can do about, you know, and the public broadcasting.
Good.
And one in particular, I've been talking to a group of businessmen over the last few weeks, guys who helped us and accomplished people who are interested in the international
You checked the, uh, with the, uh...
to change things and all these leader programs.
Now, take a little time.
It's probably your tradition.
It's an excellent idea.
And we'll have some of your guys go.
Whether we can, China won't be that involved at this point because they probably don't have money.
Like, you can go to Japan.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So that it's too bad, you know, that people get an impression of this country and the whole group of people in the country.
There's one radical, you know, I mean, if you think of those, if you think of those, I don't know, Stanislavs and others, you know, I mean, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people,
People are just, because people are black and white, they do bad things.
I mean, it's a question of, frankly, some people are just bad.
Or nuts.
I have a lot of those.
Yeah, there are too many nuts running around.
Well, we've got your share, and we appreciate it very much.
You're always welcome here, you know, the way that it is.
Whenever you go on a day like that, we'll go, this is a good idea.
We'll, John, let's see what we can do.
Any committees that we set up, we want to be sure of, right?
We know that it's been mighty hard.
Some of the people, you know, they say we're all prejudiced.
We've reached all the sites and so forth.
We'll do the right thing.
We just appreciate what you have.
Thank you very much.
And I hope we get a chance to go back to the White House sometime.
You will.
Thank you very much.
There's no problem on that side, I agree.
Okay, thank you.
We agree to this.
Well, uh, Senor Conrad, you're on the top one.
What?
Top one.
That's where they make all the furniture.
I know.
I think that's only about 40 miles for girls.
It is, uh, 50 miles.
A girl, I remember, took five minutes to wrap it up.
All right, how do we love it?
It's just, I don't know what to say.
It'll take a while.
This is North Carolina doing pretty well as a border state on the whole typewriter relationship.
Very well.
And Jim Holtzhaus is already starting.
He's doing a good job.
He does.
You give him a kick, you know.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
and he has done i think everything he can do with one exception to keep her the one exception is to abandon regionalization
Why don't you wait?
Why don't you wait a lot?
These are the people that were killed in the Amazon, and I must get them out of the way.
And then I'm going to have to wait right outside.
This is quite a sizable group of brothers and sisters here.
It's a total of 13, sir.
Oh, I think we should put the dancers to work.
These people should help.
Okay.
There are five sons.
Five children.
He's got brothers and sisters.
They're getting a special tour of the White House immediately after this.
They're going to the Capitol.
Ripley's arranged for a tour up there.
Okay.
NARA Description
On February 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Robert J. Brown, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:45 pm and 12:56 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 848-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 848-13
Date: February 5, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:45 pm and 12:56 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Mr. and Mrs. Robert J. Brown, John D. Ehrlichman, Stephen B. Bull and
the White House photographer.
Stanley S. Scott [?]
Photographs
Brown’s job performance
-Domestic Council [?]
-Brown’s talk with the President
-Future interaction
-George H. W. Bush
-Public broadcasting
International marketing
-Brown's plans
-Leaders' programs
-Visit to the People’s Republic of China [PRC], Japan
-Blacks
-Eldridge Cleaver
-PRC
-Difficulties
-Japan, Indonesia, Thailand
-US image
-Radical groups
-Shootings
-John C. Stennis
-George C. Wallace
-Robert F. Kennedy
-42-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Conversation No. 848-13 (cont’d)
Committee seats
-Ehrlichman
Attacks on Brown
-Wallace supporters
-Sally Brown
-Future visit to the White House
North Carolina
-Durham
-James E. Holshouser, Jr.
Mr. and Mrs. Brown left at 12:52 pm.
Department of Health, Education, and Wealth [HEW]
-Confirmations
-Patricia R. Hitt
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Beal
-Regionalization
Arrival of Col. William B. Nolde's family
Meeting with Ehrlichman
Size of group
Ehrlichman left at 12:54 pm.
Gifts
-Women
-Pins
Relatives
-Children, brothers, sisters
-43-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Conversation No. 848-13 (cont’d)
Visit to the Capitol
-Robert P. Griffin
-Tours
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:56 pm.Also recorded on February 5, 1973
- 848-011 12:39 PM · 45 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 12:42 pm.
- 848-020 12:39 PM · 15 sec — Stephen B. Bull and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:39 pm and 12:42 pm.
- 848-012 12:42 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft, White House photographer, Cmdr. Alexander R. Larzelere, Alexander R. Larzelere, Jr., William Larzelere, Paul Larzelere, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:42 pm to 12:45 pm.
- 848-014 12:56 PM · 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Richard A. Moore, Lt. Col. William L. Golden, White House operator, Teresa Olson, Kenneth Olson, Mary Weigal, Agnes Ullmer, Henry Ullmer, Irene Lemery, Loren Lemery, Clara Best, Joyce Nolde, Blair Nolde, Brent Nolde, Kimberly Nolde, Bryon Nolde, Bart Nolde, Henry Joseph Nolde, Joseph Nolde, Henry Nolde, Jr., and Irene Nolde met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:56 pm and 1:09 pm.
- 848-015 1:09 PM · 48 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:09 pm to 1:58 pm.
- 043-213 1:38 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:38 pm and 4:08 pm.
- 043-030 1:54 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 1:54 pm.
- 848-016 1:58 PM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:58 pm to 1:59 pm.
Cite this conversation
Conversation 848-013, February 5, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/848-013 (accessed October 12, 2026).