{"conversationCode":"850-009","tapeNumber":850,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-850-009","startDateTime":"1973-02-06T17:42:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-06T17:48:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:42 PM","endDate":"6-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 6, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:42 pm to 12:48 pm. 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Heath\n             -Length\n             -State Department\n\n       Nominations [Jack O. Horton and John H. Kyl]\n             -Announcement\n             -[Signature]\n\n       The President’s schedule\n              -John D. Ehrlichman’s conversation with President [?]\n                     -Meeting with George P. Shultz\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                             -Tax policy\n                             -Ehrlichman’s schedule\n              -John T. Dunlop\n                     -Swearing-in ceremony\n                             -Oval office\n                             -Number of people\n                             -Judge\n                                    -Byron R. (“Wizzer”) White\n                                    -George E. MacKinnon\n              -John A. Scali\n              -Donald H. Rumsfeld\n                     -Departure\n              -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger\n                     -Confirmation\n                     -William E. Timmons\n              -Rose Mary Woods\n              -Alice Roosevelt Longworth\n                     -Location\n              -Meeting with Shultz and Ehrlichman\n              -White House staff\n                     -Departures\n                             -James Roy Goodearle\n                             -Compared to previous “open door hours”\n                             -Noble Mellencamp\n                                    -State Department\n                                    -Correspondence\n       -Meeting with President\n              -Haldeman\n\nBull left at 12:48 pm.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["850-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"850-008","nextCode":"850-010","transcript":[{"start":0.32,"end":2.51,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":3.07,"end":3.55,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":22.22,"end":27.93,"text":"I'd like to ask you just to make that a standard practice."},{"start":34.1,"end":38.85,"text":"Normally, normally you can't do it, but he couldn't possibly have done it."},{"start":39.47,"end":46.25,"text":"Well, some events like this, this kind of a visit where, frankly, it just hurts anyway."},{"start":46.27,"end":50.51,"text":"Just a quick case, in case I have a heavy schedule, because I said I got to read all this."},{"start":50.61,"end":58.2,"text":"One thing that he, for all events, that in any event, something should come up that he can't go through all that material, they ought to get his summary done."},{"start":60.99,"end":66.25,"text":"Come on, tell them, tell them, in case I did."},{"start":92.88,"end":98.8,"text":"tomorrow regarding tax policy."},{"start":116.94,"end":122.26,"text":"Technically, pointing out swearing in Dunlop's mouth, covering his Dunlop alone in the Oval Office ceremony."},{"start":122.3,"end":127.66,"text":"I know it's not a bad ceremony, just being fast, fast, fast, fast."},{"start":127.76,"end":130.6,"text":"I know a lot of people that, that we should visit soon."},{"start":130.72,"end":134.86,"text":"And we won't go to a Supreme Court justice because of this, this lower level."},{"start":134.98,"end":138.32,"text":"You can't get a justice white that will just get one, one of your appointees."},{"start":142.06,"end":142.76,"text":"Yeah, George McKinnon."},{"start":143.44,"end":143.76,"text":"George McKinnon?"},{"start":143.78,"end":143.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":143.88,"end":145.7,"text":"Oh, that's a lot of white."},{"start":149.29,"end":151.44,"text":"I'll ask both of you."},{"start":151.48,"end":154.14,"text":"We don't have it."},{"start":154.18,"end":155.86,"text":"We don't have it either."},{"start":155.96,"end":157.18,"text":"And that's not good."},{"start":158.02,"end":160.9,"text":"Not good."},{"start":160.96,"end":161.44,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":161.46,"end":161.66,"text":"Not yet."},{"start":161.8,"end":167.06,"text":"I'm trying to get a reading from the students."},{"start":167.08,"end":171.96,"text":"If we might have, I will probably have a date tomorrow."},{"start":172,"end":172.6,"text":"Rose will know."},{"start":172.62,"end":175.32,"text":"We're going to have to go see this tomorrow."},{"start":181.04,"end":184.89,"text":"Don't worry about it."},{"start":185.03,"end":186.99,"text":"It is there, yes."},{"start":187.69,"end":188.84,"text":"That's the problem."},{"start":193.31,"end":196.57,"text":"So I can do it after five tomorrow."},{"start":196.65,"end":198.17,"text":"We can schedule the rest of the day."},{"start":198.83,"end":205.41,"text":"I don't know, 10 to 12, 10 to 12, 10 to 1, and then maybe not 3 to around 5 o'clock."},{"start":205.45,"end":206.91,"text":"We don't want to go see her at 5 to 5."},{"start":206.95,"end":209.66,"text":"So you can see that's what he did."},{"start":209.68,"end":212.36,"text":"Not all things that you need to do is put him in."},{"start":212.48,"end":214.08,"text":"He's going to be around."},{"start":214.1,"end":216.44,"text":"Do you want to make a couple of decisions?"},{"start":216.72,"end":219.2,"text":"I heard that the shelves talk is to be."},{"start":235.22,"end":236.32,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":236.38,"end":240.06,"text":"There's those two at this point."},{"start":240.26,"end":242.98,"text":"We'll put in a couple of courtesy commercials."},{"start":243,"end":243.6,"text":"It's okay."},{"start":243.66,"end":244.92,"text":"There are people like that."},{"start":244.98,"end":251.09,"text":"You could perhaps get three or four of those around."},{"start":251.1,"end":254.63,"text":"Just like we used to have people in New York."},{"start":254.65,"end":258.07,"text":"I understand, for example, the title of"},{"start":262.37,"end":264.59,"text":"Chief guy in charge of every issue in the letter writing department."},{"start":265.11,"end":271.23,"text":"The State Department usually has a correspondence."},{"start":271.25,"end":274.43,"text":"Oh, a memo, yeah."},{"start":277.91,"end":280.97,"text":"But people like that just admit quick, quick, quick."},{"start":281.01,"end":284.89,"text":"They're all, you see if they have a number, then there's no problem with that."},{"start":284.94,"end":286.39,"text":"Yes, ma'am."},{"start":286.42,"end":288.24,"text":"In common speech, I should not agree."},{"start":290.21,"end":291.23,"text":"You'll be jacked up, obviously."},{"start":291.54,"end":292.34,"text":"It's really brilliant."},{"start":292.81,"end":293.47,"text":"It's great stuff."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. 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