Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 851-001
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 1973 at 4:32 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/851-001

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[0:03] Uh, let's see, regarding the, uh, sure.
[0:13] All right.
[0:34] Uh, Rose tells me that, uh, that this is the only way to get some light out of it.
[0:39] You'll be ready to make it tomorrow morning.
[0:40] We're going to bring it around at 5.15.
[0:42] We'll just have to handle that in a very quiet manner.
[0:45] No, I don't want to spend all of our time sitting here.
[0:46] I feel like I'm gone.
[0:48] I feel like I have to be gone.
[0:49] I feel like I'm gone.
[0:50] I feel like I'm gone.
[1:05] And what else do you have tomorrow?
[1:08] This first one isn't really an odd .
[1:11] Well, I haven't seen that.
[1:16] This is the end of the speech right here.
[1:18] This is the draft that's been approved by.
[1:20] Well, I'm sorry, but I can't do it tomorrow.
[1:24] I can't really work on it, so that's done.
[1:26] So what else do you got?
[1:28] All right, I'll work on it.
[1:29] Maybe do it the next day.
[1:31] Would you like me to leave the speech here?
[1:32] Well, I can't work on it now.
[1:39] On Thursday, Bob noted an 8 o'clock cabinet breakfast.
[1:43] I can recall about a month and a half ago you indicated 8.30.
[1:46] Was this just a force of habit, or did you want that at 8 o'clock, that cabinet breakfast?
[1:51] 8.30 is fine.
[1:52] 8.30.
[1:52] All right.
[1:54] It was recommended that you meet with Secretary Brennan Dent and Jim Oates, the chairman of the Jobs for Veterans program.
[2:01] All right.
[2:08] It's been recommended by Kavanaugh, Timmons, and Colson, and more.
[2:14] And this would be followed by a briefing by Brennan, Dent, and Oates afterwards, describing what they'd reported to the president on.
[2:23] And they pay all attention to the progress that this Jobs for Vietnam Veterans program has achieved.
[2:29] And it would further urge industry cooperating.
[2:32] It would only be a 15-minute meeting.
[2:46] All right, so we'll allow 30.
[2:48] Yeah, we'll allow 30.
[2:49] Let's see if the only reason I mentioned the clearance is the problem.
[2:56] Yeah, so here before the phase would have been most of the time.
[3:23] All right.
[3:24] There's a group of student delegates to the 1973 U.S. Senate Youth Program.
[3:29] And in 1969, you greeted this group in the state dining room.
[3:34] It's about 100 outstanding high school students who have competed.
[3:42] No.
[3:43] Would you like Mrs. Nixon to greet them on a tour?
[3:46] No.
[3:46] That might be.
[3:47] No.
[3:48] She doesn't have to greet.
[3:56] Doug Kennan is president of the National Association of Manufacturers.
[4:00] It's been recommended by Colson and Bob Haltman that you meet him briefly, just for five minutes.
[4:07] This would be a photograph of new president of NAM who will be needing their cooperation in the future, and this would contribute to it.
[4:18] This is really a five-minute stand-up.
[4:32] Prior to the inauguration, Charles Ryan requested to talk with you, and we put this off until after the inauguration.
[4:44] The substance really is over a piece.
[4:48] He just wants to discuss matters related to international law.
[4:55] He's been held in abeyance.
[4:57] We can hold it even further until after the California trip, sir.
[5:03] I think, if I recall, Charles Ryan has a tendency to talk on for a bit.
[5:08] And I'm not sure how tight he would be.
[5:10] Well, I wouldn't mind seeing him for a while.
[5:18] I don't know if I've seen him in a day.
[5:21] I think it would be.
[5:22] And nobody needs to be with him.
[5:34] I don't see it.
[5:35] I don't see it.
[5:35] I don't see it.
[5:36] I don't see it.
[5:37] I don't see it.
[5:39] Final thing is the recommendation that you make
[6:04] with Wilbur Mills.
[6:07] No, that wasn't coming in a few days ago.
[6:11] They said this came in.
[6:12] Well, this came in on the 6th today.
[6:20] Today.
[6:22] Recommended by, uh, by God.
[6:30] Tim, what's up early?
[6:33] to discuss upcoming legislation.
[6:37] Well, I can't vote tomorrow because I don't have any.
[6:39] They have to give me a talking paper.
[6:42] This would be in Thursday meetings.
[6:45] In fact, all of these are Thursday meetings.
[6:52] Yes, sir.
[6:52] What are you going to do on Wednesday then?
[6:55] Well, on Wednesday already we're starting to fill up.
[7:01] We'll have to switch over.
[7:01] We were thinking in terms of the economic speed, so we'll have to flip the move.
[7:07] Well, I leave in three o'clock.
[7:10] We'll leave, actually, at, basically, at, we'll leave it here at, yeah, three o'clock.
[7:19] We'll land in South Lawn at three o'clock in South Lawn.
[7:26] So maybe we might want Sean Mills to mark, because what do you know?
[7:30] I can't, because I haven't got it ready.
[7:31] I've got to have the talking papers, and it's a very complicated story.
[7:35] So I have to read the study beforehand, so somebody's got to get a thorough talking paper.
[7:46] I mean, I can't just sit and guess.
[7:47] See, they don't understand it.
[7:48] I know it's not easy, but I've got to know why.
[7:54] Maybe a Wednesday afternoon meeting might work.
[7:57] Maybe we can try to work this into Wednesday so
[8:23] Because really what we have is that meeting with Schultz and Ehrlichman tomorrow on tax policy.
[8:31] And this would be consistent with the extension of it.
[8:39] Perhaps around 4 o'clock in the afternoon, provided that Mills is available there.
[8:47] It might work.
[8:48] Then you have an automatic cutoff also that you have to depart at 5.
[8:55] even though we've said this for a 30-minute meeting.
[8:59] It'll be an hour.
[9:05] What about Moynihan?
[9:08] Moynihan hasn't been confirmed yet, sir.
[9:10] He might be confirmed today, possibly tomorrow.
[9:15] We're continuing to watch it.
[9:16] Pat has requested to come in and have a
[9:20] call to receive his instructions from you before departing for India.
[9:23] And I guess he's about ready to depart as soon as he sees you.
[9:30] Well, try to get it in Thursday.
[9:34] What do you have on Thursday?
[9:36] Let's skip that.
[9:36] We have a cabin at 8.30, excuse me, Brennan at 10.30.
[9:43] Let's make ourselves open to this National Association of Manufacturers Managers.
[9:47] Let's make the cabinet meeting at 8, because I think we better do that.
[9:51] All right.
[9:52] Give you a little time in there, then.
[9:54] This National Association of Manufacturers.
[9:56] All right.
[9:56] President 12-0 for five minutes.
[9:58] Charles Ryan at 12-15.
[9:59] And 3 p.m. is our floor.
[10:01] Keep us game.
[10:03] You've got one hand in there.
[10:09] Then we can put Pat and one hand in on...
[10:13] Really, we have time tomorrow morning, earlier, since you're not doing this speech.
[10:18] Well, I .
[10:19] Why don't we leave tomorrow morning open for you, so you can work on the speech.
[10:27] And then the first thing you have would be 12 minutes.
[10:28] Or it would be later on in the day, the next morning.
[10:35] Well, that's five minutes.
[10:38] Yes, sir.
[10:38] Just right in here.
[10:39] Right here.
[10:42] We'll have to let the press come in and photograph the swearing in and leave as soon as this is out of the way.
[11:01] What would you like to see Pat?
[11:05] I can see him on Thursday just prior to the departure.
[11:12] I've got to cut off the tape.
[11:16] And this is about Schultz.
[11:24] This is Schultz on the eyes.
[11:26] I've got to keep the possibility of the white letters.
[11:56] 22,000 words.
[13:19] 12 noon was considered a good time to do it, you know, on a day, 12 noon, because it would play most of the day on the radio and then hit the PM newspapers.
[14:27] I'll just make the appropriate adjustments on this.
[14:40] And, uh, try tentatively for a noon delivery of this on Thursday.
[14:49] What did you have on Thursday?
[14:52] We had a cabinet thing at 8.
[14:56] And then Brennan and his job for veterans at 10.30.
[14:58] Yeah.
[14:58] You know, the Kenner thing.
[15:04] We can move.
[15:06] Oh, well, that could be.
[15:11] Oh, this is.
[15:12] That'll all work out.
[15:13] We were going to put Moynihan in at 2.30.
[15:14] It gives you a very busy day.
[15:16] It gives you morning.
[15:22] Well, we just left Kenner and Ryan ahead of that then.
[15:28] after the radio speech.
[15:32] See Kenneth for five minutes and then Ryan.
[15:34] That would take you up to about 1 o'clock.
[15:35] And then 2.30, you've had one minute.
[15:42] Kenneth will make him a five-minute appointment and just explain to him the present.
[15:51] Delivering a radio speech and...
[15:57] Do you want Schultz in on this?
[16:00] No.
[16:00] Just hand over.
[16:36] I don't want tenets on that either, on the mills thing.
[16:38] Just earlier on that one, I think, Schultz was already talking about that.
[16:44] I thought I'd have every chance to talk to her and say I do not want tenets, definitely.
[16:52] This guy likes to be seen alone.
[16:55] He's the only one I consider having to be here with me.
[17:12] You talk to her, and I'll find out if you will.
[17:26] Yes, sir.
[17:26] Sir, I've been holding this out for 10 to 15 minutes.
[17:36] Could I have the judge write it down?