{"conversationCode":"853-011","tapeNumber":853,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-853-011","startDateTime":"1973-02-08T17:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-08T17:28:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:24 PM","endDate":"8-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:24 pm and 12:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 853-011 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 853-11\n\nDate: February 8, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:24 pm and 12:28 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President’s schedule\n\f                                                -26-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 853-11 (cont’d)\n\n              -Return of George P. Shultz\n              -Meeting with E. D. Kenna\n                     -W. Richard Howard\n                            -Charles W. Colson’s office\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:28 pm.","filename":["853-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"853-010","nextCode":"853-012","transcript":[{"start":0.23,"end":8.01,"text":"The president understands Secretary Shultz is going to come back in after he... Well... Yeah, yeah, but without Kenan and Howard too."},{"start":8.65,"end":10.79,"text":"Yeah, and I'm always ready to go on with Secretary Shultz."},{"start":10.86,"end":13.92,"text":"Yeah, well, it's going to be like that."},{"start":14.24,"end":14.92,"text":"All right."},{"start":17.06,"end":18.66,"text":"Dick Howard, he's going to stay out."},{"start":19.1,"end":19.76,"text":"Dick Howard, he's..."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed the President's upcoming schedule and the coordination of meetings with Secretary of the Treasury George P. Shultz. Nixon specifically instructed Bull to ensure that E. D. Kenna and W. Richard Howard were excluded from the follow-up meeting with Shultz. The conversation serves to manage access to the President and refine the roster of attendees for high-level administration deliberations.","topics":["George P. Shultz","White House scheduling","Presidential access","E. D. Kenna","W. Richard Howard"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T01:15:57.369Z"},"topicSlugs":["george-p-shultz","white-house-scheduling","presidential-access","e-d-kenna","w-richard-howard"],"audioDurationSec":27,"audioFiles":[{"file":"853-011.mp3","bytes":656655,"durationSec":27.24,"bitrate":192850,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.382Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:47.960Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/853-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/853-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/853/conversation-853-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}